Effulgence Mafia Game Thread

[jalapeno_dude]

Aestrix's argument seems compelling to me, so I won't roleclaim defensively at this time. I know for a fact, though, that I have already been helpful to the Town and can continue to be so in the future.

I'm retracting the accusations I made here against Alphabeta. I am still slightly-to-moderately suspicious of him for being an Addy, but arguments by him, Aestrix, etc. and further consideration have convinced me he was probably not responsible for michaelblume's death.

I guess I will also vote to kill kuuskytkolme, though I am prepared to retract that if I get a chance to check in on this thread closer to the deadline.

[jalapeno_dude]

Aestrix has a good point wrt kuuskytkolme, but I'm not going to switch my vote because kuuskytkolme has weird time zone issues that prevent her from participating as much. If jalepeno_dude or someone else has a convincing argument as to why they should not be killed, I'll switch my vote.

Just saw this. I believe I do have a convincing argument, but in order to prove it I'd need to roleclaim and reveal my crypto, which I'm very hesitant to do.

[anthusiasm]

Definitely don't roleclaim if you think it's dangerous, but I feel like I should point out that by stating you're a helpful template you may have already made yourself a target.

Hmmm...since you're claiming to be a helpful template, I'm going to tentatively switch to kill kuuskytkolme in case I'm not able to get online in time to switch it later for some reason, but I'm still suspicious.

[Shoal]

Aestrix has a good point wrt kuuskytkolme, but I'm not going to switch my vote because kuuskytkolme has weird time zone issues that prevent her from participating as much. If jalepeno_dude or someone else has a convincing argument as to why they should not be killed, I'll switch my vote.

I think the time zone thing doesn't really apply when you're in a game that's been going on for weeks, including several weekends. Not being active during the time of day that most other people are is to be expected due to time zone issues, but when a day lasts 72 hours, it's different.

In the secret channel, my opinion of jalapeno_dude was listed as "?". they were one of the people i had trouble getting a read on. I feel inclined to trust their claim that they've helped town but i feel inclined to trust everything anybody says. I had felt that kuu might be something but i didn't know if they were positive or negative. i had written that they were suspiciously inactive but they were sick towards the beginning of the game, which explains some of their inactivity but i'm not sure when they got better.

I think that "because they actually know what they're doing here" is probably a bad reason to lynch by itself because we could really use some people on our side who know what they're doing. but that only works if they share their "know what they're doing" with us, otherwise it doesn't help us. i agree with aestrix's argument that kuu could have used their experience to help us and they haven't.

Also, one thing that I've been noticing that has been sort of bothering me, particularly on the last real life day before sundown, is that a bunch of people realise they're not going to be awake before the sun sets so they vote and then go to sleep. i think i have done this too at some point. it is better to vote than to not vote, for sure. but i think it would be better to figure out whether the sun will set before reallifebedtime in the morning, vote in the morning, come back in the evening to see if anything has happened to change your opinion, and then either change or keep your vote.

that way, people will have time to convince us and we will have to decide whether we are convinced or not instead of defaulting to unconvinced because we were asleep.

I don't know if this idea would have changed any of the lynches so far, but I think trying to vote this way will increase the chance that at sunset (before the reveal of whether we were right or wrong), our votes will all still be on whoever we want them to be, instead of on whoever we thought we wanted them to be before that person defended themselves.

tl;dr: I am convinced by the arguments against kuu but I want to be awake after I place my vote, and I am not planning to be awake very soon, and I suspect kuu is no longer awake, but I intend to vote against kuu in the morning, unless things that happen after i fall asleep change my mind, and then if kuu hasn't defended themself to my satisfaction by tomorrow evening then i plan to keep my vote on kuu.

edit: if we do lynch kuu, and kuu turns out to be innocent, then i will be suspicious of jalapeno_dude tomorrow because he was instrumental in convincing me of kuu's guilt.

[kuuskytkolme]

You can be suspicious of them right now.

I am Iron Man

[pistachi0n]

I'm actually not suspicious of kuuskytkolme. She really didn't want to vote no lynch on the first day, and at first glance it seems like wanting to kill someone without enough information is an obvious mafia tell. Someone else pointed out early on in the game that a mafia strategy is to advocate "no lynch" on the first day to a) show unwillingness to kill people and b) distract people from speculating about who the mafia is. I think that if kuus were in the mafia, she wouldn't have asserted so boldly that we should lynch someone (although she did end up not voting that day.)

[Nemo]

kuuskytkolme is Iron Man (Tony).
She is not a killer.

[anthusiasm]

Seems legit. unkill kuuskytkolme

[Thatwasademo]

You want to maybe give us an encryption key so we can check that you've been claiming that all along and you're not just claiming it now?

[Alicorn]

We, the gods, are confirming kuuskytkolme's roleclaim and non-killer status, in case that was unclear. She has deployed a Tony power to declare and have confirmed that she's Tony.