Shiny people

[Tamien]

So if you can get some attractors from one template and some from another, like Loki-Bell, which attractors tend to go together? Is it that there's a "person template" and a "circumstance template" that tend to go together but don't always? Or does it divide along different lines?

Could you, say, get a Bell who was a Chris's accident-prone sister?

[Kappa]

...well, that's a disturbing new possibility for how a Bell and a Libby could be related XDDDDD

But my gut feeling is that it doesn't quite work like that. Possibly because the most fundamental circumstance attractor for a Samantha Kirsch is "have a daughter at a socially-unacceptably young age with a father she never sees again, then die when said daughter is about five", and that would be a hard timeline to nail a Bell to. XD

[Alicorn]

Which attractors are how thoroughly attached depends heavily on the template! For example, Bells come in more than one gender despite their significant attractor in favor of being girls, but Jokers come only in Jokergender regardless of sex. The Joker/Bell children appear in a fairly strict birth order, but not so for the set that Bell/Sherlock-or-Tony kids are drawn from. Some things are just plain optional, like Alexes and Stevens.

A Bell as a Chris's sister would be hard to pull off. The overwhelming majority of Bells have the same parents. Sometimes (Katie, Loki, Promise, sort-of-Ara) they're rendered so thoroughly irrelevant that they don't exist to be found at all, but when Bells have biological parents who are more than zero relevant to anything about how their lives have turned out, they're a Charlie and a Renée. Chris is a follow-on template for Libbies, even though Chrises chronlogically precede Libbies, and the Libby backstory requires that the Libbygrandparents behave in a way that would be out of character for a Charlie and a Renée. This would rule it out even if there were three kids (a Chris, a Bell, and a Samantha) so that the Samantha didn't have to overlap with the Bell.

[Kappa]

Heh. That too. I guess you could go back a step further and make the Chris's-sister Bell a foundling/adoptee in that generation, but it'd still be hard to make her fit into the role of a Samantha in particular, and I think you couldn't easily dispense with Samantha being bio-related to Chris anyway.

[Tamien]

So I was envisioning something like (World Template Attractors?) > World Template > Circumstance Attractors > Template > Template Attractors > Instance, where each thing to the left metacausally pulls the thing on its right, but with more or less strength depending on the particular attractor. But if attractors can pull in more ways than that, then it gets a bit more complicated to imagine. Hrrrm.

Chrises following Libbies does make it more difficult. Could the Chris and the SamanthaBell both be adopted? Does the SamanthaBell have to choose to have a daughter at a socially-unacceptably young age? (Not sure how to get around the death in a way that keeps the story interesting, but, other things seem like they could be worked around.)

[Alicorn]

Libbies are not the results of rape (at least as I understand it), and Bells are paranoid about bringing kids into situations that they don't think suitable unless there's a real mess making it the better choice for some reason. Standard Samantha Libby-yielding trajectory doesn't really happen to a Bell.

[Kappa]

Samantha's don't set out to have a kid at sixteen, but they do willingly have the sex that leads to the kid. So, yeah, what Alicorn said.

[Tamien]

Hm, so that's roughly the same issue with a Sharing Knife Fawn!Bell, then.

[Kappa]

Fawn got accidentally pregnant a few years later, and explicitly as a result of misinformation from Sunny. Now, whether a Bell could plausibly be taken in by that misinformation is a different thing, but also, I don't think replacing Fawn with a Bell would necessarily have to stick to the exact original circumstances of the unwanted pregnancy.

[DanielH]

This thread got off-topic and died; I hereby resurrect it on its original topic! *chanting, thunderclap*

If the Downside Administrator were in the Breakroom, would she be able to talk to other BEEs about getting rid of impermanence? Would she even care about impermanence in worlds to which she has never been?