I feel that if the Death Note can't kill fairies, then fairies can't get the Shinigami Eyes...Nemo Consequentiae wrote:Death Note killing powers are limited to humans. I don't remember whether the same applies to the Shinigami Eyes. It'd be funny if a fairy took the deal, though, since it'd be half of an extremely immortal life span.
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Sorry for my bad english
"Yambe Akka take the stars, they’re zombies!" - Isabella Amariah
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Does fairy name magic play nice with other name magic? For example, would a fairy be able to vassalize an Elcenian dragon by a nickname made entirely of “new” syllables? I don’t remember how initial dragon naming works in canon, only that it’s a month after hatching, but if a pre-naming dragon encountered a fairy, would the fairy’s magic recognize the dragon as named iff the dragon’s magic did?
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the fairy would have to give the dragon a syllable of their own real name, no?DanielH wrote:Does fairy name magic play nice with other name magic? For example, would a fairy be able to vassalize an Elcenian dragon by a nickname made entirely of “new” syllables? I don’t remember how initial dragon naming works in canon, only that it’s a month after hatching, but if a pre-naming dragon encountered a fairy, would the fairy’s magic recognize the dragon as named iff the dragon’s magic did?
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For the dragon’s magic to recognize the new name, I think so (and if they already have a dragon-name, the fairy would need to repeat—and thus know—the whole thing already). They could also have an already-existing vassal do it. But if the fairy magic doesn’t cooperate with the dragon magic, the fairy can name an unnamed dragon whatever they want as far as the fairy is concerned.
On the topic of naming people whatever, if somebody doesn’t have a name yet and you want to talk to a fairy about them, is it safe to say “Let’s call him Ted”, without intending for it to count as a name, or would that make Ted stick as the person’s name?
On the topic of naming people whatever, if somebody doesn’t have a name yet and you want to talk to a fairy about them, is it safe to say “Let’s call him Ted”, without intending for it to count as a name, or would that make Ted stick as the person’s name?
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Fairy plus Elcenian dragon means the fairy needs both of the first two syllables, but those alone will do it. A dragon that has not been named does not have a name but is vulnerable to outside naming, if the proposed name follows dragon name rules (that is: it's two syllables, optionally plus two from a same-sex ancestor) and the dragon is still nameable (Zinc is in fact totally safely nameless). Fairies adding syllables to dragon names (in the unlikely event they wished to do that) would have to use syllables from their own real names, and, yes, the fairy would have to know the dragon's full name.
You can refer to Ted without naming him Ted if he isn't there. If he's there you may name him in so doing.
You can refer to Ted without naming him Ted if he isn't there. If he's there you may name him in so doing.
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I did some math, and if the infinite plane has similar gravity and composition to the mortal world, it'd be 5300 miles thick or two thirds of an Earth-diameter. (Same goes for Dreamward, Limbo, and the other Fairyland. At least I think those are all infinite planes.)
Has anyone, possibly someone trying to get away from the omnipotent ruler, looked into what's on the other side?
Has anyone, possibly someone trying to get away from the omnipotent ruler, looked into what's on the other side?
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Well, in the case of Dreamward, a hellful of demons is on the other side. Limbo and both Fairylands are not operating under conventional gravity rules. I'm pleased to have this math, though, that's interesting.
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I’m fairly suse gravity doesn’t work quite the same way in this fairy realm or Dreamward. I think they’re infinitely deep and gravity is a steady 1g everywhere because different laws of physics. Probably the same for Limbo: the first human to die wanted somewhere to stand, and expectations caused it to be magically infinite and 1g, like my computer room closet would have an infinite number of wires, instead of a spherical planet.
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That explains Limbo perfectly. And since Limbo would look the same to Revelation as it would if if just naturally had the plane, it's even canon-compliant!
Infinitely deep gets weird, though. If gravity is just "pull in that direction" rather than "pull toward Stuff" like it is here, you still end up with arbitrary amounts of pressure. For instance, there definitely isn't air extending infinitely high unless air molecules bouncing off things also works differently without affecting a visitor's ability to breathe.
Infinite depth feels like it would go similarly wrong, but I don't know exactly how. Normally I'd jump right to black holes, but gravity's weird.
I got one! Pressure still increases with depth (again assuming that "no two things in the same place" works the same way), so assuming everything's still made of atoms, far enough down you'd get nuclear fusion.
Everything deeper than at most 1.3 AU (and probably significantly less than one) is greater than the pressure at the center of Earth's Sun. I don't know at what point it reaches supernova level, but it's probably close enough that you don't want to be sitting on it.
My preferred explanation (if Alicorn or Aestrix doesn't have one already) is that one or both of the Fairylands don't natively have gravity at all, i.e. their gravitational constant is zero. I don't think that would go horribly wrong by itself.
In the forgotten past some sufficiently clever and powerful fairy visited Earth and liked their gravity, so they magicked up one gee of constant acceleration and applied it to a horizontal infinite plane that's now pushing their entire geography upward.
If that's a thing their magic(s) can do, that is. It's closer to Daevinity-fairy magic than angel or demon, but it's still pretty out there. And my understanding is that it'd take an infinite amount of information and working memory to do this with sorcery, making this a very literal case of "magic ISN'T ENOUGH to do that! You'd have to be a god!"
If that's the explanation, then the land mass could be infinite in depth as long as the acceleration is applied to an infinite volume as well as an infinite plane. Or it could be finite, but if you went to the other side you'd start "falling" away from terra kinda firma. So if there even is an opposite side it'd be completely empty.
Infinitely deep gets weird, though. If gravity is just "pull in that direction" rather than "pull toward Stuff" like it is here, you still end up with arbitrary amounts of pressure. For instance, there definitely isn't air extending infinitely high unless air molecules bouncing off things also works differently without affecting a visitor's ability to breathe.
Infinite depth feels like it would go similarly wrong, but I don't know exactly how. Normally I'd jump right to black holes, but gravity's weird.
I got one! Pressure still increases with depth (again assuming that "no two things in the same place" works the same way), so assuming everything's still made of atoms, far enough down you'd get nuclear fusion.
Everything deeper than at most 1.3 AU (and probably significantly less than one) is greater than the pressure at the center of Earth's Sun. I don't know at what point it reaches supernova level, but it's probably close enough that you don't want to be sitting on it.
My preferred explanation (if Alicorn or Aestrix doesn't have one already) is that one or both of the Fairylands don't natively have gravity at all, i.e. their gravitational constant is zero. I don't think that would go horribly wrong by itself.
In the forgotten past some sufficiently clever and powerful fairy visited Earth and liked their gravity, so they magicked up one gee of constant acceleration and applied it to a horizontal infinite plane that's now pushing their entire geography upward.
If that's a thing their magic(s) can do, that is. It's closer to Daevinity-fairy magic than angel or demon, but it's still pretty out there. And my understanding is that it'd take an infinite amount of information and working memory to do this with sorcery, making this a very literal case of "magic ISN'T ENOUGH to do that! You'd have to be a god!"
If that's the explanation, then the land mass could be infinite in depth as long as the acceleration is applied to an infinite volume as well as an infinite plane. Or it could be finite, but if you went to the other side you'd start "falling" away from terra kinda firma. So if there even is an opposite side it'd be completely empty.
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I believe that in both Fairylands, gravity applies to every thing pushing it down. Air and ground aren’t things, but am outcropping of rock is. The same probably applies to Downside. I think this explains it perfectly, and is equivalent to your “ground is accelerating up” explanation under general relativity (which doesn’t apply in situations like this).
Actually, this sounds similar to Aristotelian gravity. Probably that applies, at least in part.
Actually, this sounds similar to Aristotelian gravity. Probably that applies, at least in part.