A clarification about the material and appearance of soul artifacts:
All soul artifacts are uniform in material composition; they are made of soul material, which is most like glass out of all the mundane materials you could compare it to, but is still definitely recognizably distinct from glass. It can come in a variety of colours, including 'transparent and containing arbitrarily complex three-dimensional images', but the texture of its surface will always be the same smooth glassy texture. Their colours can shift from moment to moment, including in ways that 'animate' the image on their surface/interior, such as swirling mist or burning flames.
It's not strictly necessary for all soul artifacts to be single non-hollow contiguous objects, but I think I'm going to declare it so anyway because it makes my life easier.
The design aesthetic of soul artifacts is... not exactly standardized, there's plenty of variation, but... the analogy that comes to mind is that each soul artifact is designed by a different artist, but all of the artists belong to the same movement. I don't always make the common aesthetic explicit when describing soul artifacts, but Taliar's bird and Fariol's tree and Aeleva's flame are all abstract/minimalist depictions of those subjects, with smooth curves and clean lines. Corino's cloud is actually a fully transparent sphere containing a detailed three-dimensional image of a cloud. Esarkan's black-and-white crystal is very precisely geometric - I think it might be a regular hexagonal bipyramid - sides perfectly flat, edges perfectly straight.
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Unrelatedly, if anyone wanted to know how to say "[I'll] love you forever" in Nuimena, it's "azhi e meramin".
Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
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Marriage in Nuime!
There are four kinds.
Full-bloodline marriage (sometimes 'bloodline marriage' for short, confusingly also a member of the category 'bloodline marriages') is when two people who are capable of producing children together marry and publicly pledge that all children of their marriage will be the biological children of both of them.
Half-bloodline marriage (confusingly also a member of the category 'bloodline marriages') is when two people, who may or may not be capable of producing children together, marry and publicly pledge that all children of their marriage will be the biological children of one specific member of the couple, declared at time of marriage. Technically, the children of half-bloodline marriages are only automatically in line to inherit things-in-general from their bloodline parent; in practice, when it comes up, the assumption is often that the non-bloodline parent probably wanted the kids to have their stuff, except...
If you are a noble getting married and you want your children to be in line to inherit your noble title, you need to be their bloodline parent, which means you are either in a full-bloodline marriage or you're the declared biological parent in a half.
Non-bloodline marriage (sometimes called 'adoptive marriage', because this is what you do when you know you're going to want to adopt kids; confusingly also a member of the category 'non-bloodline marriages') is when two people, who may or may not be capable of producing children together, marry and declare that they aren't making any promises about the biological parentage of their children but want those children to inherit their stuff automatically anyway. It's pretty normal among commoners and wouldn't raise many eyebrows, but if a noble gets non-bloodline married to somebody, Social Repercussions Ensue.
Partnership or partner marriage (also known somewhat unkindly as 'empty marriage', confusingly also a member of the category 'non-bloodline marriages') is when you want your spouse to inherit your stuff but you think it's astronomically unlikely that you're going to have kids. Gay, infertile, childfree, whatever, get your partnerships here. People in partnerships do sometimes turn up with children anyway; they can get re-married in one of the other flavours at that point, or give the kid up for adoption, or drift lazily along the river of time on the raft of the status quo and end up frustrating a bunch of lawyers.
It's old-fashioned but recognizable* terminology to refer to the four types as spring, summer, autumn, and winter marriages respectively. ('Autumn marriage' is the seasonal term that sees the most frequent use these days, because its more modern terms are plagued by ambiguities and awkward usages; 'winter marriage' is the runner-up because most people don't want to call their marriages 'empty' and some people have various objections to the 'partner' terminology.) It's even more old-fashioned, but not unheard-of, to actually make a point of conducting the ceremony during the appropriate season.
If you say you are or are going to be married, people will make guesses about what kind you mean based on your apparent life situation. The default for nobles is full-bloodline; commoners tend to split between full-bloodline and autumn based mostly on wealth and social status, with full-bloodline getting more likely as you acquire more of those things. If your marriage is not full-bloodline, someone at some point is going to make the assumption that you or your spouse is in the habit of sleeping around. (If it is full-bloodline you are not fully protected from this assumption but it's a rarer and graver accusation to make.)
*Update: So apparently it's not all that old-fashioned, because my characters keep using the seasonal terminology habitually.
There are four kinds.
Full-bloodline marriage (sometimes 'bloodline marriage' for short, confusingly also a member of the category 'bloodline marriages') is when two people who are capable of producing children together marry and publicly pledge that all children of their marriage will be the biological children of both of them.
Half-bloodline marriage (confusingly also a member of the category 'bloodline marriages') is when two people, who may or may not be capable of producing children together, marry and publicly pledge that all children of their marriage will be the biological children of one specific member of the couple, declared at time of marriage. Technically, the children of half-bloodline marriages are only automatically in line to inherit things-in-general from their bloodline parent; in practice, when it comes up, the assumption is often that the non-bloodline parent probably wanted the kids to have their stuff, except...
If you are a noble getting married and you want your children to be in line to inherit your noble title, you need to be their bloodline parent, which means you are either in a full-bloodline marriage or you're the declared biological parent in a half.
Non-bloodline marriage (sometimes called 'adoptive marriage', because this is what you do when you know you're going to want to adopt kids; confusingly also a member of the category 'non-bloodline marriages') is when two people, who may or may not be capable of producing children together, marry and declare that they aren't making any promises about the biological parentage of their children but want those children to inherit their stuff automatically anyway. It's pretty normal among commoners and wouldn't raise many eyebrows, but if a noble gets non-bloodline married to somebody, Social Repercussions Ensue.
Partnership or partner marriage (also known somewhat unkindly as 'empty marriage', confusingly also a member of the category 'non-bloodline marriages') is when you want your spouse to inherit your stuff but you think it's astronomically unlikely that you're going to have kids. Gay, infertile, childfree, whatever, get your partnerships here. People in partnerships do sometimes turn up with children anyway; they can get re-married in one of the other flavours at that point, or give the kid up for adoption, or drift lazily along the river of time on the raft of the status quo and end up frustrating a bunch of lawyers.
It's old-fashioned but recognizable* terminology to refer to the four types as spring, summer, autumn, and winter marriages respectively. ('Autumn marriage' is the seasonal term that sees the most frequent use these days, because its more modern terms are plagued by ambiguities and awkward usages; 'winter marriage' is the runner-up because most people don't want to call their marriages 'empty' and some people have various objections to the 'partner' terminology.) It's even more old-fashioned, but not unheard-of, to actually make a point of conducting the ceremony during the appropriate season.
If you say you are or are going to be married, people will make guesses about what kind you mean based on your apparent life situation. The default for nobles is full-bloodline; commoners tend to split between full-bloodline and autumn based mostly on wealth and social status, with full-bloodline getting more likely as you acquire more of those things. If your marriage is not full-bloodline, someone at some point is going to make the assumption that you or your spouse is in the habit of sleeping around. (If it is full-bloodline you are not fully protected from this assumption but it's a rarer and graver accusation to make.)
*Update: So apparently it's not all that old-fashioned, because my characters keep using the seasonal terminology habitually.
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Noble inheritance titles in Nuime!
I'm still working on the actual sounds involved, but I have a pretty good idea of the structures at work. I'll use Taliar as my example. He has two sets of titles:
[by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandmother's-spring-marriage] [direct-descent-from-deceased-emperor]
[by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandfather's-spring-marriage] [specific landed title, 'grandson' variant]
Tentative seasonal words are: akala, meleri, zhoa, okhet. Tentative parental particles are: inna (mother), kule (father), en (grandparent).
So, [by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandmother's-spring-marriage] would be Innakala Eninnakala, and [by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandfather's-spring-marriage] would be Innakala Enkuleakala. If I decide that Taliar's parents were married summer after all, it'll be Innameleri both times. The words involved are very tentative.
Pulling together some randomly generated words for the other things, Taliar's full name with all applicable titles becomes Innakala Eninnakala Karointhel Innakala Enkuleakala Luithantele Elaneth-imire Kazaryne Taliar. And that's fairly short as noble titles go, because he only has two titles and neither needs to be traced past his grandparents.
There are some contexts where you'd only use Innakala Eninnakala Karointhel, and some where you'd only use Innakala Enkuleakala Luithantele, and some where you'd use Karointhel Luithantele, and some where you'd go down to just Karointhel or just Luithantele, and there might be semiformal contexts where you selectively drop parts of the ancestry markers - leave off the seasons so it's Inna Enkule, or leave off the grandparents so it's Innakala... you can see why Taliar does not even want to bother.
I'm still working on the actual sounds involved, but I have a pretty good idea of the structures at work. I'll use Taliar as my example. He has two sets of titles:
[by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandmother's-spring-marriage] [direct-descent-from-deceased-emperor]
[by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandfather's-spring-marriage] [specific landed title, 'grandson' variant]
Tentative seasonal words are: akala, meleri, zhoa, okhet. Tentative parental particles are: inna (mother), kule (father), en (grandparent).
So, [by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandmother's-spring-marriage] would be Innakala Eninnakala, and [by-mother's-spring-marriage] [by-grandfather's-spring-marriage] would be Innakala Enkuleakala. If I decide that Taliar's parents were married summer after all, it'll be Innameleri both times. The words involved are very tentative.
Pulling together some randomly generated words for the other things, Taliar's full name with all applicable titles becomes Innakala Eninnakala Karointhel Innakala Enkuleakala Luithantele Elaneth-imire Kazaryne Taliar. And that's fairly short as noble titles go, because he only has two titles and neither needs to be traced past his grandparents.
There are some contexts where you'd only use Innakala Eninnakala Karointhel, and some where you'd only use Innakala Enkuleakala Luithantele, and some where you'd use Karointhel Luithantele, and some where you'd go down to just Karointhel or just Luithantele, and there might be semiformal contexts where you selectively drop parts of the ancestry markers - leave off the seasons so it's Inna Enkule, or leave off the grandparents so it's Innakala... you can see why Taliar does not even want to bother.
Re: Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
I am imagining people deciding “I have a 50-word title. I’m gonna manifest my soul just so I don’t need to keep track”.
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This may have happened. Also, every time a base title passes from one person to another (e.g. if Fariol passed the title of Luithan down to Aeleva), everyone who has inheritance titles stemming from that branch has to update said inheritance titles appropriately.
Oh, also: family names!
In a summer marriage, the children get the family name of the bloodline parent.
In a spring marriage between nobles, the children get the family name of the parent whose inheritance is closer - e.g. Aeleva is a Kazaryne because she's closer to inheriting her father's title than her mother's imperial inheritance. In cases of a tie, the parents decide between themselves. In cases of an irreconcilably disputed tie, lawyers may get headaches. It's customary for all children of the same marriage to have the same family name, but occasionally an exception happens because someone changes their mind about something or someone's inheritance moves closer and they decide to change which name to use for their future offspring.
In a spring marriage between a noble and a non-noble, the children get the family name of the noble parent - e.g. Taliar is a Kazaryne because Corino is a commoner.
In an autumn marriage, or a spring marriage between non-nobles, the parents decide between themselves which family name the kids will get. There's some social status stuff that goes into it, but it's nowhere near as clear-cut as with nobles.
Technically, in an autumn marriage between nobles, the children aren't allowed to get the family name of either parent because they're not in either line of inheritance. In practice, no one will come after them if they decide to flout this rule, just as long as it's understood that they're not really [Noble Family Name]s, they just happen to be potentially descended from them and named the same thing.
Oh, also: family names!
In a summer marriage, the children get the family name of the bloodline parent.
In a spring marriage between nobles, the children get the family name of the parent whose inheritance is closer - e.g. Aeleva is a Kazaryne because she's closer to inheriting her father's title than her mother's imperial inheritance. In cases of a tie, the parents decide between themselves. In cases of an irreconcilably disputed tie, lawyers may get headaches. It's customary for all children of the same marriage to have the same family name, but occasionally an exception happens because someone changes their mind about something or someone's inheritance moves closer and they decide to change which name to use for their future offspring.
In a spring marriage between a noble and a non-noble, the children get the family name of the noble parent - e.g. Taliar is a Kazaryne because Corino is a commoner.
In an autumn marriage, or a spring marriage between non-nobles, the parents decide between themselves which family name the kids will get. There's some social status stuff that goes into it, but it's nowhere near as clear-cut as with nobles.
Technically, in an autumn marriage between nobles, the children aren't allowed to get the family name of either parent because they're not in either line of inheritance. In practice, no one will come after them if they decide to flout this rule, just as long as it's understood that they're not really [Noble Family Name]s, they just happen to be potentially descended from them and named the same thing.
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Re: Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
okay, I'm feeling conlangy so I'm going to invent a bunch of title strings
Fariol is a Luithan (when you actually hold the title you don't record your line of descent from it, you are past that now) and I think he might have an extra non-hereditary honorary title and I'm not sure what if anything he's heir to but I'm pretty sure he doesn't have meaningful imperial descent going on, so:
[possible other bullshit] Luithan [possible honorary title] Indre-rithal Kazaryne Fariol
Aeleva is the daughter of a Luithan by his spring marriage to an imperial princess, so:
Innakala Karointhai Kuleakala Luithantial Linsi-kelen Kazaryne Aeleva
Taliar's parents tell me they're definitely married summer, so:
Innameleri Eninnakala Karointhel Innameleri Enkuleakala Luithantele Elaneth-imire Kazaryne Taliar
Emperors do not have to bother with non-imperial lineages, so:
[Emperor] Dekha-fanshel Zierni Esarkan
Seofar's mother was Arime's sister, so he doesn't have any non-imperial descent to speak of:
Kuleakala [Prince] Tekhesin Zierni Seofar
No idea what's up with Kelora's mom, so:
[possible other bullshit] Kuleakala Enkuleakala [Princess] Zierni Kelora
apparently I am not feeling conlangy enough to invent any words
misc notes: Karointhai and Karointhel specifically mark descent from a previous Emperor, while the Prince/Princess titles of Seofar and Kelora mark descent from the current Emperor. Most other distinctions in imperial descent titles have collapsed since Esarkan pointed out the profound silliness of the concept of imperial inheritance as applied to him.
Fariol is a Luithan (when you actually hold the title you don't record your line of descent from it, you are past that now) and I think he might have an extra non-hereditary honorary title and I'm not sure what if anything he's heir to but I'm pretty sure he doesn't have meaningful imperial descent going on, so:
[possible other bullshit] Luithan [possible honorary title] Indre-rithal Kazaryne Fariol
Aeleva is the daughter of a Luithan by his spring marriage to an imperial princess, so:
Innakala Karointhai Kuleakala Luithantial Linsi-kelen Kazaryne Aeleva
Taliar's parents tell me they're definitely married summer, so:
Innameleri Eninnakala Karointhel Innameleri Enkuleakala Luithantele Elaneth-imire Kazaryne Taliar
Emperors do not have to bother with non-imperial lineages, so:
[Emperor] Dekha-fanshel Zierni Esarkan
Seofar's mother was Arime's sister, so he doesn't have any non-imperial descent to speak of:
Kuleakala [Prince] Tekhesin Zierni Seofar
No idea what's up with Kelora's mom, so:
[possible other bullshit] Kuleakala Enkuleakala [Princess] Zierni Kelora
apparently I am not feeling conlangy enough to invent any words
misc notes: Karointhai and Karointhel specifically mark descent from a previous Emperor, while the Prince/Princess titles of Seofar and Kelora mark descent from the current Emperor. Most other distinctions in imperial descent titles have collapsed since Esarkan pointed out the profound silliness of the concept of imperial inheritance as applied to him.
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Re: Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
invented some words:
Kuleakala Rekhanthel Tekhesin Zierni Seofar
Kulemeleri Enkuleakala Rekhanthai Zierni Kelora
Tineimar Dekha-fanshel Zierni Esarkan
(changed Seofar's marriage to summer because it seemed in-character and means I don't have to invent a lineage for Kelora's mom)
Structuring some title variants:
Luithan
son of Luithan: Luithantel
daughter of Luithan: Luithantial
grandson of Luithan: Luithantele
granddaughter of Luithan: Luithantiala
Kuleakala Rekhanthel Tekhesin Zierni Seofar
Kulemeleri Enkuleakala Rekhanthai Zierni Kelora
Tineimar Dekha-fanshel Zierni Esarkan
(changed Seofar's marriage to summer because it seemed in-character and means I don't have to invent a lineage for Kelora's mom)
Structuring some title variants:
Luithan
son of Luithan: Luithantel
daughter of Luithan: Luithantial
grandson of Luithan: Luithantele
granddaughter of Luithan: Luithantiala
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Re: Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
Updated list of extant soulnames and the associated soulbearers:
Tezru - true, strong, right, just (Tezru Zierni Diakor) (Dorca the Just)
Alo-tentire - far-seeing (Alo-tentire Zierni Arime) (Mad Yuri)
Morhiato-akhane - hospitable home (Morhiato-akhane Zierni Zivar) (Prince Xav)
Dekha-fanshel - all-enduring (Dekha-fanshel Zierni Esarkan) (Ezar)
Tekhesin - mighty (Tekhesin Zierni Seofar) (Prince Serg)
Den-aminde - long shadow (Den-aminde Rysher Nahira) (Ges Vorrutyer)
Indre-rithal - broad oak (Indre-rithal Kazaryne Fariol) (Piotr)
Linsi-kelen - bright flame (Linsi-kelen Kazaryne Aeleva) (Aral)
Madai-almerind - high-flying (Madai-almerind Nirahn Corino) (Cordelia)
Elaneth-imire - dawn-shining (Elaneth-imire Kazaryne Taliar) (Miles)
Aminde-temari - shadow-cloaked (Aminde-temari Lothal Nezhefena) (Steven)
NPCs:
Luilar-nerane - flowing river (Luilar-nerane Mekhash Edelo)
Oravith-kelinre - knowledge-seeking (Oravith-kelinre Aliharno Tyela) (Tyastir/Hesta)
Sehana - refuge, sanctuary (Sehana Irtezi Daeredh) (Soto/Kador)
Ivu-kiralendi - quick-leaping (Ivu-kiralendi Thiruven Perel) (Pyeki/Pell)
Tezru - true, strong, right, just (Tezru Zierni Diakor) (Dorca the Just)
Alo-tentire - far-seeing (Alo-tentire Zierni Arime) (Mad Yuri)
Morhiato-akhane - hospitable home (Morhiato-akhane Zierni Zivar) (Prince Xav)
Dekha-fanshel - all-enduring (Dekha-fanshel Zierni Esarkan) (Ezar)
Tekhesin - mighty (Tekhesin Zierni Seofar) (Prince Serg)
Den-aminde - long shadow (Den-aminde Rysher Nahira) (Ges Vorrutyer)
Indre-rithal - broad oak (Indre-rithal Kazaryne Fariol) (Piotr)
Linsi-kelen - bright flame (Linsi-kelen Kazaryne Aeleva) (Aral)
Madai-almerind - high-flying (Madai-almerind Nirahn Corino) (Cordelia)
Elaneth-imire - dawn-shining (Elaneth-imire Kazaryne Taliar) (Miles)
Aminde-temari - shadow-cloaked (Aminde-temari Lothal Nezhefena) (Steven)
NPCs:
Luilar-nerane - flowing river (Luilar-nerane Mekhash Edelo)
Oravith-kelinre - knowledge-seeking (Oravith-kelinre Aliharno Tyela) (Tyastir/Hesta)
Sehana - refuge, sanctuary (Sehana Irtezi Daeredh) (Soto/Kador)
Ivu-kiralendi - quick-leaping (Ivu-kiralendi Thiruven Perel) (Pyeki/Pell)
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Re: Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
So I have been thinking about Taliar's soulname, because if he forks he's going to differentiate his forks by having them all go by different soulnames and that means I have to have a bunch of alternatives lined up
I knew I wanted the second choice/first fork to be "Sun-bright", and I was thinking about how to make that into a pretty phrase in Nuimena, and I realized I already had a word for "bright" (Linsi, from Linsi-kelen), and I was pondering whether I wanted to use the same word or make up a synonym, and I decided that "linsi" meant specifically "bright, hot" and there was a different word for brightness without connotations of temperature... and I thought it would be charming if the Nuimena equivalents of "red-hot", "white-hot" etc. used "linsi"...
...and then I figured out why Taliar thought of Sun-bright as a soulname, and why he discarded it in favour of Dawn-shining.
The "Sun-bright" he wanted to use was "Raika-linsi". In context, with his mother and her soulname both reasonably well-known, the message of going by Raika-linsi Taliar as he went to war with Seofar would be approximately: "You think my MOTHER (whose incandescent rages are famously literal) has a bad temper? I'm not just fiery, I'm not just white-hot, I am THE FUCKING SUN, and I am coming for you."
He went with Elaneth-imire because vengeful wrath is not an aspect of himself he wants to encourage or emphasize.
The word for "radiant" might be "meralta". Raika-meralta isn't bad, I think. I might hold out for something prettier, though; Elaneth-imire is hard to beat.
[edit] So the first extant fork went with "Raika-seren", "Sun-dark", because it's an inversion of the connotations of Sun-bright and he's a fork created specifically to have a dim and powerless soul.
[edit] And the second extant fork is going to go with "Liran-alore", "Summer-blue", because the job of his existence involves optimism-as-force-of-nature and the colour of that aspect-of-Mileses in Taliar's soul is blue. Yes, that is a different word for "summer" than in the inheritance titles. Think kinda like the difference between "autumn" and "fall".
I knew I wanted the second choice/first fork to be "Sun-bright", and I was thinking about how to make that into a pretty phrase in Nuimena, and I realized I already had a word for "bright" (Linsi, from Linsi-kelen), and I was pondering whether I wanted to use the same word or make up a synonym, and I decided that "linsi" meant specifically "bright, hot" and there was a different word for brightness without connotations of temperature... and I thought it would be charming if the Nuimena equivalents of "red-hot", "white-hot" etc. used "linsi"...
...and then I figured out why Taliar thought of Sun-bright as a soulname, and why he discarded it in favour of Dawn-shining.
The "Sun-bright" he wanted to use was "Raika-linsi". In context, with his mother and her soulname both reasonably well-known, the message of going by Raika-linsi Taliar as he went to war with Seofar would be approximately: "You think my MOTHER (whose incandescent rages are famously literal) has a bad temper? I'm not just fiery, I'm not just white-hot, I am THE FUCKING SUN, and I am coming for you."
He went with Elaneth-imire because vengeful wrath is not an aspect of himself he wants to encourage or emphasize.
The word for "radiant" might be "meralta". Raika-meralta isn't bad, I think. I might hold out for something prettier, though; Elaneth-imire is hard to beat.
[edit] So the first extant fork went with "Raika-seren", "Sun-dark", because it's an inversion of the connotations of Sun-bright and he's a fork created specifically to have a dim and powerless soul.
[edit] And the second extant fork is going to go with "Liran-alore", "Summer-blue", because the job of his existence involves optimism-as-force-of-nature and the colour of that aspect-of-Mileses in Taliar's soul is blue. Yes, that is a different word for "summer" than in the inheritance titles. Think kinda like the difference between "autumn" and "fall".
Re: Nuime (soul artifacts thing)
This question takes place entirely before there will be light, because a lot of things change there.
If somebody were to touch Taliar’s soul, and keep touching it for three days, would it be able to grow a protective power like it developed in thread? In general, is it able to change powers while being touched?
If somebody were to touch Taliar’s soul, and keep touching it for three days, would it be able to grow a protective power like it developed in thread? In general, is it able to change powers while being touched?