Cooperative Zendo

Not the kind with cardstock and pawns. Mostly play by post Mafia so far.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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0: no
00: no
000: no
0000: yes
00000: no
000000: no
0000000: yes
00000000: no
000000000: no
0000000000: yes

the^16: yes
the^24: no
the^40: yes
the^56: yes

the^11: yes
the^12: no
the^13: yes
the^14: no

big^8: yes
love^16: yes
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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So for any given accepted koan, repetition seems to give a lot of yes and a lot of no, with some apparent patterns which might not actually hold up. That “the^24: no” killed off all the variants of the hypothesis I could think of.

Separately the behavior of the 0* set also contradicts all the fledgling ideas I had about what gets a yes in the first place.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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Same pattern with a:

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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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a: no
aa: no
aaa: yes
aaaa: no
aaaaa: yes
aaaaaa: no
aaaaaaa: yes
aaaaaaaa: yes
aaaaaaaaa: yes
aaaaaaaaaa: no
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the^06
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the^12
the^14
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tr
waer
wate
waterzebra
watr
wr
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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hahaha what.
I am number 63. I'm also ESL, please don't eat me.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Post by Lambda »

It's been over 48 hours with no guesses since my last answer-post. Do y'all want a hint?
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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I’m not going to say no if other people want one, but before I decide if I do I’ll want to look at this again tonight.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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Okay, yes, I would like a hint. I have one more thing I could try first, but there is evidence that it won’t give useful results. Just in case, though,

fira

firc
fird
fire
firf
firg

fir0
fir1
fir6
fir8
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

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fir0 is yes. All the others are no.
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minutes
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rererer
ria
stone
The
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the^05
the^07
the^08
the^09
the^11
the^13
the^16
the^40
the^56
WaTeR
water
water0123456789
waterbottle
whisky
witer
Wizards
zebra
No:

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0
00
000
00000 (0^5)
000000 (0^6)
00000000 (0^8)
000000000 (0^9)
0123456789
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1o
1r
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4
5
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5ire
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6h
6ire
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8
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aa
aaaa
aaaaaa (a^6)
aaaaaaaaaa (a^10)
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
ar
ater
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d
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m
my
n
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r
ri
rr
sphinx
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the^04
the^06
the^10
the^12
the^14
the^24
tr
waer
wate
waterzebra
watr
wr
ws
wter
xx
xy
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Post by Lambda »

HINT BELOW
HINT
I might have made the rule a little more baroque than is entirely appropriate.

The following is relevant and intended to be helpful rather than misleading.

a^1: no
a^2: no
a^3: yes
a^4: no
a^5: yes
a^6: no
a^7: yes
a^8: yes
a^9: yes
a^10: no
a^11: yes
a^12: no
a^13: yes
a^14: yes
a^15: yes
a^16: no
a^17: yes
a^18: no
a^19: yes
a^20: yes

ba^1 (ba): no
ba^2 (baa): yes
ba^3 (baaa): no
ba^4: yes
ba^5: no
ba^6: yes
ba^7: yes
ba^8: yes
ba^9: no
ba^10: yes
ba^11: no
ba^12: yes
ba^13: yes
ba^14: yes
ba^15: no
ba^16: yes
ba^17: no
ba^18: yes
ba^19: yes
ba^20: yes

0a^1: yes
0a^2: no
0a^3: yes
0a^4: no
0a^5: yes
0a^6: yes
0a^7: yes
0a^8: no
0a^9: yes
0a^10: no
0a^11: yes
0a^12: yes
0a^13: yes
0a^14: no
0a^15: yes
0a^16: no
0a^17: yes
0a^18: yes
0a^19: yes
0a^20: no

wa^1: no
wa^2: yes
wa^3: no
wa^4: yes
wa^5: yes
wa^6: yes
wa^7: no
wa^8: yes
wa^9: no
wa^10: yes
wa^11: yes
wa^12: yes
wa^13: no
wa^14: yes
wa^15: no
wa^16: yes
wa^17: yes
wa^18: yes
wa^19: no
wa^20: yes

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-   N  N  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y
b   N  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y
0   Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N
w   N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y  N  Y  Y  Y  N  Y
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