Stability of current romantic relationship(s). Most to least omitting Bells not currently officially/properly/formally/admittedly in romantic relationships and not taking into account future plot that may perturb these rankings in either direction (but heads up, Katie's going to OWN this category relative to everybody but maybe Golden and Sarion when she grows up):
Golden
Sarion
Ice
Shell Bell
Glass
Angela, Rose
T'Mir
Aegis
Aurora
Phix
Revelation
Cam (Cooper)
Etty
Chi
Pattern
Juliet
Stella
Amariah (Dreamer)
Ability to stand poor (inefficient, malicious, thoughtless etc) authority.: "Stand it" meaning what?
Quality of their first book if they wrote one now: Too vague, book on what, why are they writing it?
I Will Arrange Bells On Spectrums
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Bells discovering that they are a fictional product immediately seek a way to put me and my conspirators on trial for crimes against humanity.
I can't "that particular Bell, only in the real world"-ify Bells who have been shaped by other cultures. That's not how they work. Like, they are each other if they'd grown up in different conditions, with a handful of innate and cosmetic alterations but nothing major. That's why they're Bells and not just facedoubles.
Duplicate Nickname Notice: Some Bell accounts (and Bell backstories-up-to-plot-beginning) are used in both Effulgence and Incandescence. In character, it is kind of hard to make them choose different nicknames, because as far as they can tell, their characteristics are still distinguishing:
Aya will probably go by Aya in Effulgence but may be induced to choose a nickname in Incandescence (largely because "Ayabel" sounds a lot like "Iobel" spoken aloud). The Effulgent one is, where necessary to distinguish, "Sphere", and the Incandescent one "Spring".
"Cam" is what Standard Backstory Boy Bells who are named Campbell go by. One in Effulgence is doing this. When he meets another boy Bell who goes by Cam when he's at home (probably East), they will both choose alternate nicknames, and the one currently going by Cam (who is from Syntropy, is a wizard, and has a Cooper's-hawk-slash-notebook for a daemon) will go by Cooper instead. The one in Incandescence (known sometimes as "Demon Cam" out of character) has no reason immediately on the horizon to choose a non-"Cam" nickname. But if he did, it would be "Revelation" because that was his handle for anonymity when he got up to backstory shenanigans.
"Amariah" is the second name of HDM-witch Bells. There's one in Effulgence who goes by "Amariah" with her peal and one in Incandescence who goes by "Ice" with hers. If they met, the Effulgence Amariah would for nonredundancy purposes switch to "Dreamer" (as in "Shade Dreamer").
It is not impossible that more collisions of this kind will accumulate but I will try to hold them down to a minimum.
I can't "that particular Bell, only in the real world"-ify Bells who have been shaped by other cultures. That's not how they work. Like, they are each other if they'd grown up in different conditions, with a handful of innate and cosmetic alterations but nothing major. That's why they're Bells and not just facedoubles.
Duplicate Nickname Notice: Some Bell accounts (and Bell backstories-up-to-plot-beginning) are used in both Effulgence and Incandescence. In character, it is kind of hard to make them choose different nicknames, because as far as they can tell, their characteristics are still distinguishing:
Aya will probably go by Aya in Effulgence but may be induced to choose a nickname in Incandescence (largely because "Ayabel" sounds a lot like "Iobel" spoken aloud). The Effulgent one is, where necessary to distinguish, "Sphere", and the Incandescent one "Spring".
"Cam" is what Standard Backstory Boy Bells who are named Campbell go by. One in Effulgence is doing this. When he meets another boy Bell who goes by Cam when he's at home (probably East), they will both choose alternate nicknames, and the one currently going by Cam (who is from Syntropy, is a wizard, and has a Cooper's-hawk-slash-notebook for a daemon) will go by Cooper instead. The one in Incandescence (known sometimes as "Demon Cam" out of character) has no reason immediately on the horizon to choose a non-"Cam" nickname. But if he did, it would be "Revelation" because that was his handle for anonymity when he got up to backstory shenanigans.
"Amariah" is the second name of HDM-witch Bells. There's one in Effulgence who goes by "Amariah" with her peal and one in Incandescence who goes by "Ice" with hers. If they met, the Effulgence Amariah would for nonredundancy purposes switch to "Dreamer" (as in "Shade Dreamer").
It is not impossible that more collisions of this kind will accumulate but I will try to hold them down to a minimum.
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I think I'm caught up to this thread now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Proposed definition of "supervillain" for the purposes of eliciting a spectrum ordering:
An openly lawbreaking or otherwise authority-opposed/conquest-bent individual in a setting where "superhero" and "supervillain" are both commonly used in-universe terminology; a person in such a setting who is referred to as a villain or supervillain by news media or the general public. To even the playing field since some Bells already come from universes like that but most don't, consider what would happen if each of them was transported to a fairly generic Superhero Setting with high personality and goal variance among local heroes and villains (e.g. some villains may be Libbies or otherwise the sort of people Bells can get along with/people with obviously positive goals if you're a Bell; some heroes may be total jerkwads or overly punitive authoritarians who should not be trusted with laser cannons), so it doesn't just end up with "well, everyone with the capacity to play the super-game becomes a hero because the heroes are the obvious good guys", and there's more of a question of which ones think they'd be best placed on a good hero team and which ones think they'd be best placed with a good villain.
Does that work?
An openly lawbreaking or otherwise authority-opposed/conquest-bent individual in a setting where "superhero" and "supervillain" are both commonly used in-universe terminology; a person in such a setting who is referred to as a villain or supervillain by news media or the general public. To even the playing field since some Bells already come from universes like that but most don't, consider what would happen if each of them was transported to a fairly generic Superhero Setting with high personality and goal variance among local heroes and villains (e.g. some villains may be Libbies or otherwise the sort of people Bells can get along with/people with obviously positive goals if you're a Bell; some heroes may be total jerkwads or overly punitive authoritarians who should not be trusted with laser cannons), so it doesn't just end up with "well, everyone with the capacity to play the super-game becomes a hero because the heroes are the obvious good guys", and there's more of a question of which ones think they'd be best placed on a good hero team and which ones think they'd be best placed with a good villain.
Does that work?
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Nnnnno not really.
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Okay, then I'll change my answer to "that particular Bell, a reasonable amount of time after pealing." But I am a little confused about this statement. Am I supposed to infer that the difference in sexualities/Kinsey scale, for example, is purely cultural, and that if I swapped, say, Glass and Stella at birth they would swap sexualities?I can't "that particular Bell, only in the real world"-ify Bells who have been shaped by other cultures. That's not how they work. Like, they are each other if they'd grown up in different conditions, with a handful of innate and cosmetic alterations but nothing major. That's why they're Bells and not just facedoubles.
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Sexualities are on the shortlist of "handful of innate alterations". But if you swapped Stella and Maurabel at birth there would be no way to tell except by detailed genotyping.
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Reading slashfic: Bells in full generality have a fairly low interest in porn. If they're going to be consuming porn they will prefer it to be about scenarios that might actually in real life interest them as participants, so slashfic is likeliest to be consumed by lesbian ones (boy Bells are more visual and would be less likely to prefer written porn formats if they were seeking porn). There isn't enough variance in this if I smooth out/compensate for the cultural availability of the concept to make it worth writing out a whole list, although Bells who score very low on promiscuity or who have sex-related trauma will be even less likely than the already low likelihood of the middle-of-the-pack.
Writing slashfic: Bells mostly don't go in for writing fiction, particularly porn of any kind, so I guess the lesbians/bisexuals get a bit of a boost here for the same reason as above but the probability is very flat and low.
Writing self-insert-fic: I could see Bells going in for this if they had a lot of free time and were not able to make meaningful progress on any of their goals or pursue skill-acquisition type hobbies, but I would find a Bell who was stuck like that for a very long time kind of boring and therefore haven't done it. If Shell's time Downside had gone differently she might have entertained herself by writing stories in which she was less frustrated in her ambitions. It wouldn't have porn in it though.
Writing X-rated-self-insert-fic: Would require a weird confluence of all the above circumstances, very unlikely, very flat distribution.
Writing slashfic: Bells mostly don't go in for writing fiction, particularly porn of any kind, so I guess the lesbians/bisexuals get a bit of a boost here for the same reason as above but the probability is very flat and low.
Writing self-insert-fic: I could see Bells going in for this if they had a lot of free time and were not able to make meaningful progress on any of their goals or pursue skill-acquisition type hobbies, but I would find a Bell who was stuck like that for a very long time kind of boring and therefore haven't done it. If Shell's time Downside had gone differently she might have entertained herself by writing stories in which she was less frustrated in her ambitions. It wouldn't have porn in it though.
Writing X-rated-self-insert-fic: Would require a weird confluence of all the above circumstances, very unlikely, very flat distribution.
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Can you list more of the "handful of innate alterations?" I'm not so much interested in the necessarily setting-related ones (e.g. Amariah having a daemon) as alterations which are standard in homo sapiens sapiens. Obviously gender and sexuality are on the list.
Do all current Bells have the same Big Five traits/Myers-Briggs types? If yes, can you imagine a Bell with a different set of traits, or would that make them no longer a Bell?
Similarly, could you imagine a non-pathological Bell who doesn't conceptualize the world in terms of the Three Questions? Or is that a defining characteristic for them?
Do all current Bells have the same Big Five traits/Myers-Briggs types? If yes, can you imagine a Bell with a different set of traits, or would that make them no longer a Bell?
Similarly, could you imagine a non-pathological Bell who doesn't conceptualize the world in terms of the Three Questions? Or is that a defining characteristic for them?
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Why does Butterfly top the list on trigger-happiness? I thought Juliet would have been number one.