Elcenia Spoilers

[MaggieoftheOwls]

So there's some stuff that's been bothering me a bit...

It's been established that if the Dragon Council caught a shren couple raising dragons they'd take the babies away and give them to a dragon couple that wanted kids.

--Finnah talks about the possibility of marrying a series of human and elven women and having children with them and it being okay if one was a parunia. Does she just not know?

--What happens if a dragon who has kids gets infected? Does the Dragon Council take away the children even though there is a nonshren parent? Do they pressure the nonshren parent to divorce the shren parent? Is there some kind of grace period? How would that situation be different if the nonshren parent was a dragon versus if they weren't and the relevant dragon child was a parunia? I imagine a dragon would be unwilling to go against the dragon council, but would a human or elf or vampire have some recourse to keep both their parunia offspring and now-shren spouse?

--Are there just no nondragon governments willing and able to protect shrens from having their children abducted by the dragon council on grounds of shrenhood?

[Alicorn]

Finnah isn't thinking in those terms at that time. Finnah has Issues about being considered dangerous to baby dragons and she isn't attending to the fact that nobody will let her prove it.

Infections are vanishingly rare. Mial, in his sandbox, is the only one to have happened for generations; in canon there is not even Mial. There is not an up-to-date policy on this. The dragon council is not... draconian... about making sure dragons never interact with shrens ever in any capacity (Aurin was allowed to interact with Mial, people with shren aunts and uncles sometimes know them); the sticking point would be custody, and the other parent of a parunia could probably retain that for at least their own lifespan unless there were other reasons to want them not to have it.

The dragon council has a lot of oomph. The countries that are willing to flip them off (Ertydo, Egeria) will lump shrens in with them and not want to touch the situation. Elcenian governments in general consider some things to be reasonably the province of species-specific institutions (vampires have stuff like this too, and to a lesser extent leonines, skyfolk, the various fey, etc.) and when those institutions present a consistent, firm, immobile front of a certain opinion they will typically get their way. So far it has not happened that any national government wishes to attempt to be a refuge for shrens, apostate vampires, etc.

[DanielH]

Could most governments even get away with that if they tried? Esmaar probably could, but many nations would probably find themselves in very uncomfortable positions if they tried to offer refuge like that.

[Alicorn]

Dragons don't exactly have a standing army, but there would definitely be Problems.

[DanielH]

There is an approximately constant amount of dragon magic in the world at any given time. Is there any mechanism keeping the colors or groups approximately constant too? That is, if there was a land-based disaster of some kind, could the violet-group numbers start skyrocketing at the expense of the other groups?

[Alicorn]

There is no mechanism keeping that balanced. Violet actually has a slightly higher population than the other groups, and the imbalance persists because they are much more likely to marry intragroup.

[MaggieoftheOwls]

How does Korulen and Saasnil's summoning spell target people? By that I mean is it per-person or per body or both? Will it disregard a person who's sharing brainspace with someone else or grab only one body of someone who has more than one or both?

[Alicorn]

Per body.

[Ezra]

Then it's very lucky that they haven't accidentally cut a multiple-bodies person in half.

Really, they've been exceedingly lucky in general.

[rockeye_stonetoe]

This is making me want to make them UN lucky...