Solving Batman Plot

[DanielH]

I hope that, however this gets solved, the solution can improve Origin’s situation. Ganymede seems stable, but not the best stable solution. For one thing, I’m very suspicious of the 100% rate of remaining quiet, especially given that Batlady could have been in that hole and thus on Ganymede. Surely she was not the only one who would be thrown in that whole on little-to-no evidence, and there is the entire ritual about failing to escape that at least some people presumably really do want to get out.

Have Elle or the Joker figured out who Batman is yet? I feel like Elle probably at least has a good guess, given that she had somebody working for Mr. Wayne.

[Bluelantern]

Not easily, no. John knows where to find them but he's not about to bring Elle or the Joker there and isn't especially keen on breaking into Wayne Manor to search it for useful goodies himself.

He might not trust them, but wouldnt he try get the things himself?

Is catwoman part of the equation at all?

[DanielH]

John would assume he is being followed. He probably is being followed. He cannot get them himself without leading Elle and the Joker there.

[Kappa]

And John, like I said, doesn't want to break into Wayne Manor. Like, he doesn't know what kind of traps might conceivably be set for people who break into that house and try to access its bat-goodies.

[DanielH]

And I suppose he doesn’t know that Alfred knows, so just asking him wouldn’t work well.

[denelian]

so... high, you broke away my comment of offer, and I JUST NOW NOTICED. sorry about that.

John *should* have a good idea that Alfred Knows Bat Things. but things that could be smuggled out for use by Team Save Gotham are... rather WILDLY outshadowed by Brainphone.

first thing *I* would do is set Pen down and have her do a 'sweep' of OTHER Useful-Mommy's-Friends in Gotham. she can check without actually contacting. this will take PATIENCE on the part of Elle-who-is-the-local-Libby

i'd set up brainphone with any higher-up cop who could be at *ALL* trusted in that there hole created for them.

if they decide to use Jim Gordon as traitor bait [and yes, Jim would do it...] brainphone *HIM* and get him dedicated, but hidden, guards.

the biggest issue I see is that neither Cindy nor Elle would watch Bane vs LISTEN to Bane, and not wonder 'who is pulling *HIS* strings?' because this is a thing that seemed very obvious to me watching to movie after avoiding ALL INFO. i cannot be more observant than Elle-right-there, ya know? and this may take some of the 'surprise' away. but is it really a surprise, for the readers? it will be a surprise *in universe* whenever it's found, so...
so then they need to find out... who is pulling the strings?

first obvious way to find out -- send some men in to get recruited. brainphone *could* be helpful, if there is a way to set it up so that one can just LISTEN and the men don't know it's there. if there's no conversation, this MIGHT work?

second big info network [and Pen? is TAILOR WRITTEN for this] is a Baker Street Irregulars. John could help with this.

info gathering is the first step. until i have *some* idea what info [through what methods] is found, my further ideas are still fuzzy.

[is it bad, though, that i'm seeing some penultimate standoff, sometime around Halloween, with Cindy and Elle holding Miranda/Talia hostage and Bane beating on a wall with Barsad looking sad? because even TALIA isn't the point, if *HER* death, blahblahblah]

yes or no on catwoman? that could change things, too [or 'catlad', i suppose. CatMAN is a horrible whiny little man who thinks he's a Great Hunter, so 'Catlad'.]

[denelian]

as for my idea about PealTime -- i forgot about the Kisses. ah, well, i tried...

though i bet it's still possible, like... Angela and Miciah [i can't spell] have been gone for 3 minutes when Jane says "Crap, lost your youngest kid..."
but not really WORKABLE, so. i feel bad that i forgot about the Kisses, sigh.

[DanielH]

I imagine the Peal Timeline looks like the following:

1. Pen gets door, Peal (including Jane, because Milliways) paused
2. Pen goes to Gotham, has adventure.
3. Either Pen goes back through Milliways correctly (with Cindy and/or Elle, presumably) and the Peal unpauses, or Milliways decides Pen is not going to come back and the Peal unpauses.
4. Either way, Jane notices that something odd happened with Pen. If it’s the first case, everybody has a quick brainphone conversation and some Bells and Jokers go off to welcome Cindy. If it’s the second case, Jane alerts Angela.
5. Angela gets Shell Bell to door Pen and/or gets Sue to freecast to Pen.
6. Something has already happened in Cindy’s world that makes Milliways think Pen won’t return. Some amount of time between a nanosecond and a gigayear has passed since then, probably in the range of a few seconds to a few years.
7. Peal solves Gotham.

The characters would probably all prefer the branch which ends at 4, and I think the authors do too. With that branch, Peal Time resumes after Pen comes back, but Pen doesn’t immediately interact with the rest of the Peal. It seems like it should be possible for some Peal Time stories to happen which aren’t affected by this, but I suppose the only Peal Time stories which are pending are with Glass (who would be called in about the new world) or with new Bells (who would presumably appear a bit later, so the whole Peal would have had a chance to react to this event). Still, Juliet (for example) would not be affected instantly, so the Peal Time pause doesn’t prevent something Sunnydalish from happening quickly.

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting with the brainphone. You don’t get feedback when you are added to the network, but you also wouldn’t send anything. You cannot listen to others’ thoughts with it, unless they are deliberately sending those thoughts to you. Or are you suggesting some people know about the brainphone, get recruited, and send whatever they hear via brainphone, thus acting as spies who don't need wires?

How is Pen tailor written for Baker Street Irregulars? I admit I don’t know much about canon Holmes and had to Google the term, so I’m probably missing something there.

[denelian]

re using brainphone to spy: IDEALLY, it would be given to people who you could convince to NOT BELIEVE they had such a thing, but who would indeed be transmitting. hypnotic suggestion, essentially [i am unsure how well it works in real life -- my first time through college, i was a psych major. and the evidence is THAT SPLIT, and i am apparently one of those who 'just can't' be hypnotized. so.]

re BSI: i admit that *HERE*, i am actually pulling as much from Heinlein's 'The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress' as the Doyle cannon.
but you've got a literal KID ANGEL. show me the kid in ANY major US metro who doesn't know what an angel is. and she can't do as much as they expect, cuz she's a kid. but MOST OTHER KIDS are still going to be impressed, and want to be her friend, and to do things that she says she wants, etc. and she's got the best, safest way to get reports from those kids [and orders *to* those kids] this is where using kids falls down -- any adults they interact with are going to be scrutinized. of they don't interact with new adults, then they aren't BSI because otherwise how are they getting orders/giving reports?

[Lambda]

What happens if Pen puts the POTUS on the brainphone so one of the adults can tell zir about the nuke?