Elcenia Spoilers

[DanielH]

I’m fairly sure it was decisively confirmed in a different thread. I’m not as sure you confirmed it publicly out-of-thread, but in general Kaylo seems to be as right about practically everything as he thinks he is.

But I would not think that waterspouts use Lialen, and Miles still said that the water from the spout was pulled from somewhere.

[Alicorn]

Conjuration in general pulls (and transmutes) matter from Lialen.

[DanielH]

So when matter is conjured it comes into place from nothing in Lialen and is then pulled into Elcenia proper?

[Kappa]

I think Lialen is just an infinite expanse of matter.

[DanielH]

Oh, I see. So it grabs some matter (not deliberately put there by a shapeshift) and transmutes it into water/illegal gems/whatever?

[Alicorn]

Yes.

[DanielH]

I’m rereading Elcenia for the third time, and I am still somewhat confused about shrens and magic and flying. As I understand it, dragons fly physically. Shrens fail to do this because their wings are weak. Shrens don’t have quite enough magic, but fail to be dead because they steal it from the wings (even though dragons fly physically instead of magically). I thought I understood this, with the “top” part of dragon magic being in charge of making dragon wings be strong enough to fly. However, that was explicitly disproven by Mirra (the dragon who was barely saved from dragon SIDS by kamai) being able to fly even though she can’t do any other dragon magic.

So, where was my explanation wrong? Do shrens survive by stealing physical strength from the wings and converting it into magic or something? That doesn’t sound right either, because then the existence of shrens would cause there to exist more dragon magic in the world.

[MaggieoftheOwls]

Dragons are capable of using ialdic magic instead of dragon magic just fine. Maybe it does pull something from the wings but it's still wing-stuff and not dragon magic?

[Kappa]

As I understand it, shrens survive by stealing physical strength from the wings and sort of stuffing it into the gap where the last little bit of magic should be, where it suffices to fill the space even though it isn't Technically Dragon Magic, but because it is the wrong sort of substance it ends up just pouring out again, and that is why shrens.

[Alicorn]

Close, but it's not pouring out because it's the wrong sort of thing, it's pouring out because shrens' magic containers are not the correct size or impermeability.