Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

[pistachi0n]

Okay. Got it. In that case, I can quote my role PM if you guys think I'm sketchy.

[Shoal]

I trust you. and we had safeclaims last time so if i can trust that you’re quoting your actual pm and not your safeclaim then i’m already trusting you to be town.

+ it is okay if you need to keep back any details about how your ability works if it would help scum more than town to know them (which is usually either the case or at least a risk, citation: all of last game)

[pistachi0n]

Knowing the ability wouldn't help scum but the wording of it makes my True Name obvious. So I'll quote it if I become a lynch candidate.

[PlainDealingVillain]

That said, I think that PDV deserves my vote more right now.

Vote: PDV. Your randoming onto either Jalapeno_Dude or Shoal yesterday could have stolen a lot of information from Town, and therefore failing to vote when you were present is an exceedingly scummy move. Please, account for yourself.

I didn't see how it would have stolen any information from town. I'm still unclear on that, because I only skimmed the parts of the discussion between my last check of the forum yesterday and the beginning of today. Voting purely at random seemed good to me, and still seems like a good day-one choice; I was pretty surprised I was the only one who did.

I think Yadal is too socially awkward to be attempting a complicated plan here, and can probably be taken at basically face value. But I think I agree that we should lynch him anyway.

Vote Yadal

[Eva]

That said, I think that PDV deserves my vote more right now.

Vote: PDV. Your randoming onto either Jalapeno_Dude or Shoal yesterday could have stolen a lot of information from Town, and therefore failing to vote when you were present is an exceedingly scummy move. Please, account for yourself.

I didn't see how it would have stolen any information from town. I'm still unclear on that, because I only skimmed the parts of the discussion between my last check of the forum yesterday and the beginning of today. Voting purely at random seemed good to me, and still seems like a good day-one choice; I was pretty surprised I was the only one who did.

I think Yadal is too socially awkward to be attempting a complicated plan here, and can probably be taken at basically face value. But I think I agree that we should lynch him anyway.

Vote Yadal

Oh, right, you weren't here when Pastachi0n revealed.

Still, your vote could well have changed who was lynched, since it was so close to a tie - and that was an entirely anticipatable scenario. So I've still got my eye on you.

[PlainDealingVillain]

(Double-post because editing is bad)

I will say that the rules Yadal is under are much more town-friendly than my DEMON rules were last game. The IMMORTAL, if it's presented accurately (and I'd guess pretty firmly that it is), is not a clock, just an escape plan. If we think someone else is mafia with ~50% probability, killing them now and passing on Yadal is, IMO, a good decision, even if he picks a new body tonight. Unlike my DEMON PM, his win condition does not say he must be the last player alive. He is a potential killer, but not an obligate killer. Does this qualify as SCUM, necessarily?

Ok, yeah, it probably does.

Compare:

YOU'RE A DEMON. Your current host, some guy named Revenn, has an expiration date: being possessed by you is no picnic. On night 2, target someone else to move into them. You will die tragically if you fail to move hosts for any reason, such as trying to do so to someone who has died. Alas, you (the player) will have to bow out of the game when you change hosts even if it goes off without a hitch; but you can take notes to pass on to future players of THE DEMON, who will retain all of the active host's powers. You win if at the end of the game whoever's possessed is the last person standing. You may then assume that the host skips town to happily unleash the demon in a larger metropolis.

& Contrast:

You are THE IMMORTAL. You just want to get on with your life. You win if you're alive at the end of the game. On any night of your choice, you may jump from one host to another; then you (Yadal) will leave the game, appearing to die in the night, and your (the immortal's) traits will be inherited by the next person and you (Yadal) will win if they survive. If the jump fails for any reason you just die (and lose). You do not have to jump unless you choose to.

[pistachi0n]

I agree it's less scummy than the villain, I still think it's unlikely Yadal counts as town.

Notice 2 things:

1. Yadal didn't copy the part of the role PM where it says "You are TOWN, and win when all the scum are dead." If he did, it wouldn't mean much because Alicorn posted it publicly. But, he didn't take the trouble to replace it in either.

More importantly, though:

2. He said he had a safeclaim. Why would he need a safeclaim if he's town?

I think he's low-key scum who's new and inexperienced and might not have realized his win condition isn't town-compatible. Regardless, he's still scum, we should still get him before he jumps hosts and we don't know where the hell the immortal is anymore.

[PlainDealingVillain]

Still, your vote could well have changed who was lynched, since it was so close to a tie - and that was an entirely anticipatable scenario. So I've still got my eye on you.

That's true under the assumption that I'm the only one leaving it random, and that it would be close.

I had a very different assumption; like I said, I expected 2-3 people to be leaving their vote random, maybe more. I went back and checked; when I made my last post of the day, the votes were still really scattered. (Pre-Edit: double-checking, they'd started to converge on Shoal and jalapeno, but it wasn't all that clear yet; IIRC, my sense at the time was that it was still basically chaos.) It didn't seem like anyone else had good ideas either. So I thought that "Trust In THE COIN" was as good as anything else and the town was leaning that way anyhow.

On a side note, for Eva specifically: I think, despite Yadal revealing, it makes more sense for you to stick to your pre-commitment to make Shoal suspect #1 to maintain the credibility of your precommitments. Rereading day 1 makes me more suspicious of Shoal than I was before, and jalapeno flipping town should push that up, not down. I'm not sure it's 50% for me, and I may switch back to Yadal, but I think it's strategically better for town to have credible pressure on non-Yadal people today, so:

Vote Shoal

[Paradox]

I was going to post suspicions but people keep doing things that make me reevaluate by suspicions. I'll try to post something before night starts.

In lieu of that some brief speculation on dead people's powers (if any):

• Visitor: Something to do with fairies. Visitor also learned sorcery but that doesn't seem to fit as a mafia power. In the story Visitor acquired a fairy vassal, maybe another player was the vassal and had to follow their orders. Regardless of what exactly Visitor's power is I think people should be extremely cautious with revealing their roles name or information that could lead to players figuring out your name given that fairies/a fairy are likely to be in play.
  Sharpe: Based on the story vote manipulation seems like the obvious power if they have one, maybe a power that allows them to effect what players do in another way (effecting night actions or other powers?). I am not convinced that they would have powers at all though, I wouldn't be surprised if Sharpe was a vanilla townie.
  Klaon: As I said earlier it's been a while since I read Hubward but from what I can remember I'd guess a klaon would be standard scum with no powers.

Not sure there's a lot useful here but it might be helpful having some guess what type of roles we may have lost.

Still, your vote could well have changed who was lynched, since it was so close to a tie - and that was an entirely anticipatable scenario. So I've still got my eye on you.

That's true under the assumption that I'm the only one leaving it random, and that it would be close.

I don't think that's true. If multiple people were on random all their votes could have gone to candidates with no votes while yours could have gone to Shoal. Having multiple people voting random doesn't change the fact that a single random voter has the potential to change who is killed.

[Eva]

PDV, there is 'sticking to my precommitments' and then there's 'willful stupidity'.

IMO, not lynching an obvious scum is the latter. I still don't like Shoal, but they are not the scummiest person around right now.

Also, I am noticing that you seem to be defending Yadal after an obvious scumslip, which is not improving my read of you.

edit: Pronouns. Sorry.