Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

[Tulip]

I'll grant that it probably looks to the rest of you like it's plausible that Alphabeta was subtly pointing me out to the rest of you, but I'm not convinced that he'd have done it that way, if he actually had something. We know from last game that he is willing to go public in the event that he locates a genuine threat, and especially if the hypothesis is true that night 3's silence was because the scum were hitting him, he'd have had reasonable cause to expect to die anyway, so wouldn't have anything to lose by directly claiming that I'm scum. Not only did he not do that, though, but he even phrased his post as my actions being suspicious, rather than my demeanor being suspicious. That reads to me far less like "here's your scum who I've confirmed with Keo's mind-reading powers" and more like "this is the best target I can see right now, but not via power-sourced information". It might read differently to the rest of you, of course—I'm probably a bit biased in my own favor—but still, it should at least put a damper on your suspicion.

Anyway, given that now I'm actually at risk if the vote goes sour, I should probably put away my leeriness about voting before any obviously-convincing arguments are put forward and just vote already. I think I'm going to follow the majority here and vote for futurevision; while I'm not actually confident that they're guilty, the arguments against them seem a bit stronger than the ones against Paradox; surviving a lynch is no longer the town-tell as it once was, given the reveal that Oris was mafia. So:

Vote futurevision.

[Shoal]

Unofficial vote count:
Futurevision: 5 (kappa, paradox, shoal, tamien, tulip)
Paradox: 2 (futurevision, jalapeno_dude)
Tulip: 2 (anthusiasm, modrony)
not voting: 1 (michaelblume)

(i will remove this feature once everyone has spoken, after that we will have to rely on people's behaviour only)
has talked: anthusiasm, futurevision, jalapeno_dude, kappa, modrony, shoal, tamien, tulip
has not yet talked: michaelblume, paradox

Navigation:
Morning 1
Evening 1/Morning 2
Evening 2/Morning 3
Evening 3/Morning 4
Evening 4/Morning 5

That makes sense to me.

[modrony]

It does seem likely that AB would have had Keo knowledge of 3 people on day 4.
So far I am counting 2 clears so..

either:
-The "leaders" message was about fv being clear (I still think this is unlikely but not impossible) (wouldn't make it less likely for them to be the demon now thou.)
OR
- Alphabeta knew the name of at least one scummy person.

And people are talking at preview again. responding:
@Tulip You make a good point about AB having little to lose.But it's not impossible for people to be too careful with their info or to hold out for a miracle.
The AB thing does count for a lot less after what you said.

If you haden't waited to cast your vote I would probably be changing mine now.
But you did and admitted to waiting for a sure thing, without searching for an answer or expressing opinions either way.
This is why things always happen at last minute. It forces town to make decisions fast, when they can't be properly thought through.
It's scummy behaviour.

[Shoal]

Last game, the first thing out of Alpha's mouth was along the lines of "Chelsea sighted! Vote Danielh"*. I'd hope that in this game he'd even bypass the suspicion boxes since a cop guilty is a cop guilty. I think that's good practice when you have a guilty. I don't know if Tulip is innocent or guilty, but I think it's more likely alpha had a third innocent instead.

I'll go back over his posts myself.

*I hope it's clear to the mod that I'm not intending this to be a vote, especially given that daniel is dead

[jalapeno_dude]

Okay, I agree with everyone that Paradox seems less scummy after their post. I continue to townread Tulip and agree with them that Alphabeta would have been much more blatant if accusing them.

So I vote for futurevision.

(But anthusiasm, I share your feelings re michaelblume. Let's talk more if we both survive the night. )

[Shoal]

sorry for the edit i was adding the footnote.

[Shoal]

suspicions

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jalepeno_dude was trying to get people to participate in the list scheme even after modrony denounced it.
michaleblume is a dragon. My argument is invalid. ;)
Despite my distrust of Kappa in this game because she has been holding social power, he seems to actually be fine, if fallible.
As an introvert, I tend to think that calls to eliminate lurkers are suspicious. As I said, though, that's probably personal bias.

I'm actually inclined to interpret his ;) in his spoiler box here to think he had an innocent on michael. maybe i'm reading too much into a smiley.

[jalapeno_dude]

sorry for the edit i was adding the footnote.

Heh, that was my first thought on reading your post. "But danielH is dead!"

[Shoal]

yeah, but Alicorn told us to vote on our own lines from now on. but i added the footnote (4 seconds after you submitted your post) to make it a little more clear

[Tulip]

If you haden't waited to cast your vote I would probably be changing mine now.
But you did and admitted to waiting for a sure thing, without searching for an answer or expressing opinions either way.
This is why things always happen at last minute. It forces town to make decisions fast, when they can't be properly thought through.
It's scummy behaviour.

I was considering making a post last night asking if any more arguments were forthcoming precisely to avoid the last-minute thing, but after typing up a couple versions of it, I ended up deciding against it; the main content of my post was asking "is everyone done putting forward arguments so I can vote, or is this just a lull in the discussion?", and I realized that people really weren't going to know the answer to that question, so I decided to just reread people's arguments and vote this morning instead. Then I managed to forget that decision by the time I woke up, so ended up having to rush through it after I noticed I was being voted for. So yeah, it was a bit of a misplay on my part. Tomorrow, assuming I survive another day, I'll try to get a vote down early as a placeholder until the good arguments come forward.