Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

[Shoal]

Unofficial vote count:
not voting: 10 (anthusiasm, futurevision, jalapeno_dude, kappa, michaelblume, modrony, paradox, shoal, tamien, tulip)

has talked: shoal
has not yet talked: anthusiasm, futurevision, jalapeno_dude, kappa, michaelblume, modrony, paradox, tamien, tulip

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because mornings are always the very next post after the evenings I've condensed the links like this.

[Kappa]

What the fuck is up with the "light night/FLOOD OF DEATH" variance we've got going on here?

[modrony]

..I was really hoping they wouldn't figure it out about Alphabeta.
That is what the Light message was about.
L was checking out BSS and BSSs list pointed out Alphabeta pretty clearly.

[Kappa]

modrony, I have almost no idea what you just said. This is probably the fault of my brain. Can you explain more clearly?

[modrony]

I'll post my going over BSS list in the morning when I have a working brain again.

[modrony]

On second thought. I do think this is pretty non-damaging info at this point so have a thing I made a while ago.
It's been killing me to keep this in anyway.
It's pretty specific to this particular list, and I am confident the mafia does know about it at this point.
Should be safe to post.

reasoning

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BSS has a good list.
The entries are plentiful and believable for the most part.
But then she defended Alphabeta and told us she had a connection to another player.

Suddenly the list had only 8 plausible names in it:

Tallyn / Leekath
- Can't be this. Leekath known.(*)
- Also a misspelling of Talyn when everything else was correct. I doubt BSS would point at her true name in that manner. Especially if she could find truenames.

Ehail / Gyre
- Post-shren timeframe. Unlikely.
- Could still be possible if AB wasn't giving out Statements of Truth.

Mallyn / Rithka
- Mallyn is dead and it wasn't BSS who they were connected to.

Kanaat / Keo
- BBS defense of AB indicated that AB may have a power that doesn't 'fit the mold'. This means AB is the powered person.

--> Alphabeta is Keo.
Keo was revealed because a vanilla townie put their name on a list.
I think we can all agree that this is a bad thing.

I can't know that the mafia followed this reasoning.
AB could have been more subtle about giving the all clears.
But I should not have been able to point out Keo without using a power.
If I can so can others.

*If I hadn't roleclaimed AB could have been either Leekath or Keo. He would have been a target anyway.

[Tamien]

@modrony: I had not at all followed your reasoning. That explains why you roleclaimed. Thanks for the explanation, even if it's too late now to do much of anything about it.

more generally: holy crap people are dropping like flies. i'm glad to see two of them were scum (mafia/demon-possessed) and wish we could take more credit for it and i'm honestly kinda wondering what's going on that the scum are killing each other and we're not killing anyone. how do you guys think we will know when the demon is dead for real?

Also, pistachi0n is revealed to be Oris and mafia - we should look back through their posts for indications of who they might be mafia with and what their role as Oris might have been.

[Shoal]

this is just speculation but i think maybe if we kill it during the daytime it will be dead because so far it seems to the demon victims die at night so maybe it jumps to a new player each night leaving the previous one dead

[Kappa]

Thoughts on mafia:

We have one dead mafia member. Oris is the small light from Ryganaav. That seems like moderately strong evidence that the mafia might be Ryganaavlans? Which seems like another piece of evidence that dragons are all going to be town.

On the other hand, Oris is the small LIGHT from Ryganaav, and her win condition probably didn't forbid her from using her light abilities. So surviving a death doesn't necessarily make someone a dragon.

And we almost certainly have another demon to deal with.

On the gripping hand, if the mafia is Ryganaavlan then Oris was probably the only power role they had. I think that makes sense in game balance terms with the ridiculous number of dragon townies? Maybe?

On the fourth bloody hand it seems like this game is super fucking power-dense, so if there are five mafia members like Aestrix was saying, maybe the mafia isn't all Ryganaavlan. I don't know.

here's a suspicion box I guess.

Suspicions

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michaelblume and futurevision each survived a death and are therefore either dragons and probably town OR mafia rescued by the mafia light. ???

I am super confused about whether or not I'm suspicious of modrony.

I have anthusiasum, Shoal, and Tamien all down as a tiny bit suspicious because they haven't distinguished themselves to me in any way.

I have jalapeno_dude, Paradox, and Tulip all down as a tiny bit anti-suspicious because each of them stood out as helpful in some extremely minor way near the beginning of the game.

I don't strongly trust my tiny suspicions or my tiny anti-suspicions.

In conclusion: inconclusive.

[Tamien]

@Shoal: That's a good point. I had forgotten that all of the demon deaths were nightkills (specifically I thought we lynched PDV, but looking back we totally went after tau). It also makes some sense - nightkills are presumably one person targeting another for death, and so there's an obvious choice for who the demon jumps to, whereas lynches are done as a group. This assuming that demons jump upon being killed - maybe they just jump when they feel like it, or after some set amount of time.

It would be pretty funny if there were multiple scum factions out there whose wincon is to find and kill each other, and don't actually care about us at all. Are there any, like, morally sketchy demon-hunters in Elcenia canon? (Actually, are there even enough people alive still that this would even make sense?)

(Kappa ninja'd me, reading his post now.)