Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

[Alicorn]

Mike has solicited replacement. Throw people you know who might want to play at the other thread.

[Shoal]

Shoal, you previously commited to

vote for futurevision, michaelblume, anthusiasm, and/or Alphabeta, sequentially, removing those that have since composed listposts from the pool, switching to somebody from an entirely different pool of suspects if they should seem more scummy, and if one of them composes a listpost I'll vote the next in line

. Since futurevision made a listpost, you should therefore be voting for michaelblume, but you are not doing so. Will you admit that your intentions have altered, and explicitly explain why they have done so?

I missed futurevision's listpost. I still find futurevision more suspicious. They are still at the top of my suspicions list. In that very post you linked to I am saying:

I don't really get the precommitment thing. I think it's a cultural thing I'm missing out on. I see it as tying the hands of my future self who will have more knowledge, information, and sense than I have, and the only way to get around that is to leave loopholes so wide I might as well have not committed to doing anything at all.

And lo and behold my future self has more information than my past self: modrony claims to be Leekath. modrony claims the mafia can divine something from the listposts. I mean it was a little suspicious that modrony waits until the listposts are almost all the way done before saying something about it but whatever.

I would also like to see what michael's replacement has to say. It's possible the slot has only been empty because he's been sick.

I'll change my vote when I please.

[jalapeno_dude]

I'll change my vote when I please.

Of course you will, and you're perfectly free to do so. I just don't understand why you bothered making a commitment at all when you knew you were going to turn around and break it.

[Shoal]

I...didn't know that I was going to change my mind when I wrote it? I didn't know that modrony was going to claim to be Leekath and I didn't remember that futurevision had made a list post and I didn't know what my future self would know, but I acknowledged that my future self would know more than my past self. At the time, I said that I was townreading anthusiasm. That hasn't really changed. Futurevision seemed suspicious to me, that hasn't changed. Michael seemed suspicious but he's being replaced, so I can wait for the replacement. Alpha seems to be himself but he's got BSS to back him up for now.

voting michael won't do anything until his replacement shows up, because the purpose of voting is to put pressure on a person and get them to respond which won't happen when he's absent...unless we all vote michael to save Alicorn from having to find a replacement.

I don't see the point in tying the hands of my future self, but it seems to be some kind of important cultural thing for a lot of people here but maybe it was a misstep to try to follow along with a thing that I don't understand. Maybe someone can explain it to me what the point of precommitting to ignore 6 pages of posts is.

[jalapeno_dude]

I don't see the point in tying the hands of my future self, but it seems to be some kind of important cultural thing for a lot of people here but maybe it was a misstep to try to follow along with a thing that I don't understand. Maybe someone can explain it to me what the point of precommitting to ignore 6 pages of posts is.

I'm neither willing nor qualified to write a whole thing on this (though someone else is welcome to if they want), but the point of precommitment is *precisely* to tie the hands of your future self. You are signalling precisely that you value the goal (in this case getting everyone to write listposts) enough to sacrifice some of your future self's options (in this case, immediately voting for the person you find most suspicious). You do this in public both because writing it down explicitly encourages you to keep your promise (because people generally find it awkward to lie to other peoples' faces) and, more importantly, because it gets other people to police your promise for you. This is why I am explicitly naming and shaming people. Making a vow and not keeping it marks you out as untrustworthy, much more so than if you hadn't made the vow in the first place. This is the price you have to pay for breaking your commitment, and you shouldn't be surprised if people find you significantly more suspicious going forward.

[Tulip]

Speaking of broken commitments, I haven't made a better suspicion algorithm for myself, despite my plan to have gotten it done half a day ago. It seems like the amount of brainpower I'm capable of allocating to the game has gone way down over the course of my time playing. Not enough to make me duck out completely—I'm still having fun with the game, and don't think I'm so useless as to be a detriment to our chances of success—but enough to prevent me from putting the sort of effort into it that I was back on day one. I really wish my brain wouldn't do that, because I like being able to be a front-line player, but I haven't figured out yet how to consistently control that type of mental resource-allocation.

[modrony]

I like jalapenos commitment and passion even if I don't like the cause.

Maybe copy one of the existing lists without looking what is inside?
That would be pretty secure.
Do not state this is what you have done if you do it.

[modrony]

I will re-state this because I think it's important:

Everyone should vote this turn.
If you can't decide who to vote for, the best thing is to vote for someone nobody else is voting for.
If you can't do that for some unfathomable reason, vote for me. I can take it.

[Alphabeta]

Hm. I'm not sure I believe modrony's role claim.

[Alphabeta]

Actually, the sudden change in apparent position makes me think of demonic possession. And since murder is the solution to all our problems...