Alicornutopia

Hello, I'm Tamien, and my internet is broken, so I must be brief, as typing on my phone is a pain. I have not killed anyone, especially not Cricket, and see no reason to kill anyone today when there is so little information yet to go on. I'd vote to that effect, but apparently there is some reason to hold off until a few more introductions are made, so instead I shall check back in before I sleep and cast my vote then.

Oh, haven't you been active while I was sleeping!

Hello, I am Kuuskytkolme or Number 63 or just 63. I haven't played online mafia for a year and in English for two. I like math and accusing people and dislike being killed during the first night. I might use specific words that I've caught from different mafia sites, so if I use a word in a context someone doesn't know, please ask. I try to keep it to a minimum, but it's hard.

First of all, I strongly disagree with not lynching anyone today. During the night the killers will kill someone, and they of course will not kill any killers, so there's 100% possibility that a non-killer dies. On top of that there's always the 1/(20 - amount of killers*) possibility that we'll lose the best role in the game.

On the other hand if we randomly lynch someone now, we have killers/players** possibility to lynch a killer, and any super good roles that would have been lynched can role claim and not die.

Of course for reading people's alliances and such non-random lynch is better than either of those. That said I'm going to vote for the third person who voted no lynch, because from my experience the third person in any given wagon wants it the most. Vote: Aestrix

I would also like if people had an icon during this game, it's so much easier to follow a game where I have a visual representation for all of you. At least for me.

@Everyone who voted no lynch: Why do you think voting no lynch is better than just waiting for the day to run it's course, considering that in both cases nobody dies and if you vote no lynch the day might get cut short?

@Alicorn: Can we have a vote count?

*usually floor(players/3)
**usually 1/3

I'll vote to lynch Aestrix, then. Kuu's reasoning seems sound and I seek blood.

Hi, I'm Michael, I guess I do Michael-ish things but like there's enough Michaels running around that I think Michaelish things might be limited to eating and breathing and sleeping and stuff. Alsoimmarriedtothemeangodbutpleasedontkillme.

Slowly typing out a response to Kuuskytkolme: I can't think of a benefit off the top of my head for having a day run longer than it takes to vote, but I also haven't played much PBP mafia. I suspect lynching someone on our first night actually may math in favor of the good guys, but I haven't done the math myself. Your math moves me towards lynching, but not strongly enough for me to vote that way, yet. If you produce more math or explanations thereof, I may be moved to vote to lynch.

kuuskytkolme wrote:@Everyone who voted no lynch: Why do you think voting no lynch is better than just waiting for the day to run it's course, considering that in both cases nobody dies and if you vote no lynch the day might get cut short?

Clearly all of them are killers. All of them. It's the only reasonable explanation!

kuuskytkolme wrote:opening theory

My primary motivation, as the first player to vote no lynch, was to give pro-town power roles more time to act. If we were starting with an odd number of players, then I would probably have changed my mind when I remembered to look up basic mafia opening theory. But with an even number of players, not lynching will (probably) not cost a day, and I suspect that this game has a high power density, since it seems to be pretty heavily themed. A higher power density means giving up a half-day could potentially be a good trade (at least, if going from even to odd and not odd to even).

As for why I explicitly voted rather than abstaining: If there are no votes to no lynch and at least one vote to lynch someone, that person will be lynched, so we realistically needed to have a majority actually vote no lynch in order for no lynch to happen.

@Tamien: If the day continues for longer more people speak, and when more people speak there's a bigger change that somebody slips up. Getting a read from people also gets the easier the more they write. So lengthening a day without any messages is useless, but the social pressure to write is strong enough that people usually do.

@Demo: I'm assuming that the killers also have a hight power density, so we're giving them more time to act too by not lynching.

kuuskytkolme wrote:@Demo: I'm assuming that the killers also have a hight power density, so we're giving them more time to act too by not lynching.

Well, yes, but a higher overall power density in a balanced game tends to make the day less town-favoring and the night less mafia-favoring, to the point where a day 1 no lynch with an even number of players isn't as bad as some people on the internet seem to think according to a search I did basically right before you posted. Also, voting no lynch (but not rushing the end of the day) opens the door for interesting avenues of conversation such as this one.