Alicornutopia

tau wrote:Except then we all end up thralls to Chelsea and is that really how we want to end this game?

I'd agree with you if we were actually supposed to be RPing (see my edit to my last post). But if this really is how it works it has literally no downsides to anyone except the people immune to Chelsea. There are no hierarchies of win conditions to my knowledge; there's just winning.

...ok, point with the non-rping thing. I temporarily withdraw my vote. For now.. I need to get some sleep and think more on this but I am still very worried.

Never mind, just saw Alicorn's post. Okay, vote to kill DanielH.

Alicorn, to enforce your commandment, maybe it makes sense to declare that people who end the game as allies of Chelsea have lost? I.e. don't actually change people's win conditions--just require them to act as Chelsea's allies, even though that prevents them from winning.

Aestrix wrote:.... Good lord that's terrifying.

But holy shit do I want a coordination channel.

I know right? But I can't separate the effects, and my misgivings about making peoples' win conditions nigh-impossible without taking them out of the game still apply. I mean, you can vote no lynch (or try to get an actual serial killer, those are still a problem) if you really want to go for the Chelsea victory, I suppose.

Aestrix wrote:I am pretty okay with letting Chelsea mind rape me if it means I get a coordination channel of people who are guaranteed to be on my side.

The channel comes after the mind control, actually - it takes a total of two turns of dedicated effort to make someone a "best friend."

tau wrote:Oh.

Wait, how did you get access to the coordination channel? And which coordination channel, Chelsea's?

I Chelsea'd him, of course. :D And yes, his channel, I never made mine.

But yeah. Hey guys? Let's kill DanielH. I am actually kinda in-real-life terrified of Chelsea. We can always kill Alpha after if he's lying.

*offers hug, even though the mods won't let me crib a power from it.*

jalapeno_dude wrote:...wait, doesn't this mean WE CAN LITERALLY ALL WIN THE GAME if we let Chelsea use her power on each of us in turn? What are the downsides here? Am I misunderstanding what alphabeta means by "plus any existing survival-based ones"?

Well, the mafia/serial killers/whatever are presumably not able to refrain from killing. And, of course, there's the Bell if there is one.

pistachi0n wrote:Alphabeta, I'm not sure you're telling the truth. You were originally very suspicious of DanielH, and then you revealed you had a power that told you he was "proabably innocent" and now you say you know he's Chelsea.

I said michaelblume is "probably innocent". I said DanielH isn't mafia.

You admitted that you knew all along he was Chelsea and didn't tell us because you were greedy. I'm not going to cast a vote this early in the new day but I don't trust you at all.

Yeah, that's fair, I'm being pretty untrustworthy in this game.

Also, yes, DanielH going to sleep is not evidence of his guilt. I have plenty of real evidence, even if I haven't found Elsepth (if there's one in this game) to make it definite from your perspectives. In fact, maybe we should go quiet for 8 hours as a courtesy.

...and with Alicorn's most recent post I'm back to kill DanielH . Sorry about all the back-and-forth.

Alicorn wrote:You must play toward your current win condition. In games containing alignment-changing powers, you are to have no sympathy with any future enemy versions of yourself. Fuck those guys.

This is kind of a really hard rule to enforce, and kind of aggravating to play under, but it's also incredibly common, so...

That said, it's generally not good to gamble on alignment changes anyway since usually mafia can't be culted and neither can dead people. It's about as likely that you'll die in the night as be culted, and then you'll wish you had played for the alignment you're now stuck with.

Also, vote: DanielH

So the power is mind controlling, and there are several levels of friend. I assume after the first dose it fades? I would like to know the complete mechanics of how this works, I want to exploit it relentlessly.

Aestrix wrote:So the power is mind controlling, and there are several levels of friend. I assume after the first dose it fades? I would like to know the complete mechanics of how this works, I want to exploit it relentlessly.

One use of the power adds someone to the list of people who can survive for a Chelsea victory and changes their win condition. The second allows someone to join the private communication channel.

Oh, right, since the Chelsea'd have to play to their current win condition rather than seek a change of them: Shoal is Chelsea'd, so any Griffins or Elspeths should probably get on that.

Well, damn.

Sorry, Daniel. I'll think on you and your love of organizing things fondly. And I'll mourn the loss of the communication channel. I vote to kill DanielH.