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Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:42 pm
by Timepoof
Hi everyone, bunch of questions for Alicorn and Kappa:
1) So, what kind of coin CAN do "Jedi mind trick" or is it impossible?
2) Can coins implement a Harry Potter magic system without having met someone from the world if you have read the book?
3) Can coins do an attention power like Pattern's aura?
4) What happens if someone wishes to go back in time with a coin?
5) Where is the "Bell chart" on which I can find the Bells' ialdae stats?
6) Where can I find a full list of posts where Sunnyworld Chris does magic?

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 2:51 pm
by Kappa
I don't think anyone has indexed all of the posts in which a Sunnyworld Chris does magic.

I believe coins just Do Not Do going back in time.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:56 pm
by Bluelantern
Timepoof wrote:Hi everyone, bunch of questions for Alicorn and Kappa:
1) So, what kind of coin CAN do "Jedi mind trick" or is it impossible?
2) Can coins implement a Harry Potter magic system without having met someone from the world if you have read the book?
3) Can coins do an attention power like Pattern's aura?
4) What happens if someone wishes to go back in time with a coin?
5) Where is the "Bell chart" on which I can find the Bells' ialdae stats?
6) Where can I find a full list of posts where Sunnyworld Chris does magic?
Hi Timepoof! Welcome to the forum!
I am neither Alicorn nor Kappa, but I can help some!
1) I think you can do a temporary super-power with a pentagon and a permanent super-power with a hex
2) Coins have some problems with being /creative/. So you could do create magic with all HP spells, but you would need to think of each wand movement and potion ingredient unless the coin is able to copy something from another universe?
3) Enchanting magic has something of a more autonomous component, but that sounds possible.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 4:57 pm
by Alicorn
Jedi mind tricks in particular are fuzzier than coins like. You could accomplish similar effects on a per-occasion basis with pentagons or have a persistent ability to do the thing with a hex, although you'll be noped by anyone with heavy-duty wards.

HP magic system is underspecified in the books, but if you want to be an HP wizard and you have a wish-clear idea of what that means, a star should be able to give you all the persistent powers you'd need and your wand as a package deal. If you did something dumb like wish to only be able to cast spells with a wand that ACTUALLY had genuine unicorn-sourced tail hair in it, you will need more steps to produce a satisfactory unicorn first.

Auras have more personality than wished properties in general do, but with a sufficiently clear idea of the desired behavior you could wish something a lot like one.

A tenner could just Revert Literally Everything In A Single [Sub]World To How It Was At Time T1 Except Me, My Stuff, And Whoever Else. That's sort of like time travel.

The chart is the hidden Effulgence spreadsheet.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:20 pm
by DanielH
Could a tenner just Revert Literally Everything In A Single [Sub]World To How It Was At Time T1 No Exceptions, and if so would you just be stuck in a loop until somebody outside the [sub]world rescued you? Does that “Everything” include coins?

If coins could directly approximately imitate auras, does that mean that there’s a coin that could give you Milliways door friendliness?

Can enchanting ever win against ingot powers in a direct contest (e.g., use an enchanting spell to find Kolya)? Is the answer different for Rose than for everybody who got enchanting via wishing?

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:26 pm
by Kappa
I imagine that a tenner attempt to Revert Literally Everything would be interfered with by any local phenomenon that noped coins hard enough, and I also have a gut feeling (not explicitly included in worldbuilding so far to my knowledge) that coins cannot erase other coins from existence.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:50 pm
by DanielH
Erasing other coins from existence sounds easy and I would have expected coins to be able to do it. I was thinking more about recreating used coins.

Gem can’t usefully store coins, or can’t repeatedly retrieve them, or something like that, right? If there is no limit there I will be very surprised, but I’m not sure what limit is most reasonable.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 5:57 pm
by Kappa
Recreating used coins would be what's known as A Problem, yes.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:18 pm
by Alicorn
Oh, yeah, coins would not be included in the reversion either to add or subtract. And if you went to before you got your tenner from the last time Brill made a batch, he will not necessarily make another batch and send you any, because he's not in your world. (Unless he is, I guess.)

Coins cannot give you doorfriendliness; Milliways is Special. Also couldn't give you Glass's metacausality vision or Aether's causality enforcement, maybe others. But you could dupe, like, Rose's aura okay.

Gem can't store magic objects in her shield, possibly exceptions-where-noted but lookit me not noting coins.

Re: There should be an Effulgence thread

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:48 pm
by Ezra
Now I'm imagining somebody noticing their coin stockpiles mysteriously going up and down, and having to figure out from that that somebody's time-looping them.