Edwards have this rather worshipful attitude towards Bells. You will get to see human Edward with human Bell when we get around to Pacifica and again when we get around to doing the Snow Queen, but neither are looming particularly large on the horizon right now.
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:28 pm
by Tamien
I begin to see the Unfortunate Implications. I think that most people who read your works, especially enough to get to the point of reading a genderswapped Bell/Edward pair, would probably understand that you were making a statement about Edward and not about women (especially given that you have plenty of other female characters with a variety of non-Unfortunate traits), but your concern is a fair one (though now I wonder if the Implications would still be so Unfortunate if both Edward AND Bell were female... but I kinda doubt that any Edward would have homosexual inclinations). As for the human Edward/Bell pairs I will look forward to seeing those verses whenever they happen (mainly for their Elspeths, but also for seeing the human version of that courtship)!
(About your disinterest in doing Pan: Ah well!)
some meta-discussion thoughts on the explicit confirmation and disconfirmation of suggestions
Sometimes I wonder whether I would prefer to have explicit confirmation of whether a suggestion has made it on the List. I would be extremely excited and validated to hear that you found a suggestion I made interesting, and somewhat less so but still so to hear that someone else's idea was, but I would be kinda sad and discouraged to hear that an idea was unappealing, especially my own. I still have a tendency to overestimate the likelihood that "Alicorn is displeased that I have posted this thing which I have posted" - or maybe a totally reasonable estimate, but either way, no ideas on how to better avoid Alicorn-displeasing posts - otherwise I would probably not find rejection of suggestions discouraging. Unless I get more specifics about why you're not interested in something or what sort of thing you would find interesting, I can't refine my suggestions, so the main thing that a disconfirmation would serve to do is to discourage me from further speculation about the thing and possibly from posting suggestions at all for a while (though not necessarily enough to make me not do it). And while a confirmation would make me happy, it would probably also discourage me from speculating about the thing out of deference to your writing process and the expectation that I would be finding out eventually anyway.
Given all this, I'm pretty happy to use this thread for unconfirmed speculating and living in a state of uncertainty that ranges from "maybe my idea inspired something, maybe not" to "oh man oh man my idea helped inspire a thread squeeeee". Which, at least where I am concerned, helps your goal of lots of forum activity, because being in a state of uncertainty encourages me to speculate. (The best way for you to maximize my posting to the forum is to write stuff I have strong reactions to, leave your future writing plans open to speculation, and respond with pleasure/excitement/interest/smugness/pride/glee/&c to my reactions/speculations where merited.) So don't feel the need to specify that you're not into something on my account. In the case of Pan, my hopes were not too high up in the first place, but your response made me think about this topic again and I thought maybe you'd find my thoughts usefully informative so I included them. (If doing this sort of thing is not helpful or otherwise unwarranted let me know and I will not do it in the future.)
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:05 am
by Alicorn
There's no intrinsic reason why I couldn't write a lesbian Edward, but I think the relationship would come off as unhealthy in a way that boy Edward / girl Bell relationships are insulated from. The kind of character assassins whose judgment has me nervous here would not actually care that I have written other lesbians in other circumstances.
Sometimes I post my inclinations or disinclinations on this thread as a way to communicate to kappa and/or Aestrix and/or onlookers who might be looking for ideas of things they could bring to me as possible RPs to start.
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:09 am
by Anya
I always assumed that where a Bell was concerned Edward would always be Bellsexual.
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:24 am
by Tamien
Alicorn wrote:There's no intrinsic reason why I couldn't write a lesbian Edward, but I think the relationship would come off as unhealthy in a way that boy Edward / girl Bell relationships are insulated from. The kind of character assassins whose judgment has me nervous here would not actually care that I have written other lesbians in other circumstances.
Sometimes I post my inclinations or disinclinations on this thread as a way to communicate to kappa and/or Aestrix and/or onlookers who might be looking for ideas of things they could bring to me as possible RPs to start.
Yeah, okay. I kinda think that Edward's relationships always come off as unhealthy, but I can see how it could be worse when the Edward was female and not necessarily ameliorated enough by making the target of her affection also female to fend off character assassins, so you do what you gotta do.
I had assumed you communicated to established RP partners through nonforum avenues when you had possible RPs to discuss, and I had not considered that you might be signaling to potential new partners by posting your inclinations in this thread, so this is good to know!
Anya wrote:I always assumed that where a Bell was concerned Edward would always be Bellsexual.
This makes sense but I think I am prejudiced to expect Edwards to be boring and dreary and generally conform strongly to the brooding-straight-white-male archetype and that overrode their Bellsexuality (also, I'm not yet certain how much of Edwards being Bellsexual is due to vampirism, yet).
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 12:45 am
by Lambda
In Luminosity, Edward needed explicit guidance from a trusted precog in order to not be a creepy stalker. An Edward without that advantage could make a pretty cool villain.
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 7:38 am
by Anya
I wonder how well Dracula would adapt to Effulgence/Incandescence.
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:22 am
by Shoal
and Lugosi Béla could be a Bella!
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 9:02 am
by BlueSkySprite
So, I know it's really unlikely for lots of reasons, but I'm picturing a glowy adaptation of Thomas was Alone.
It's basically a computer game where a bunch of rectangles which are human-like AI jump through platforms and work together to solve puzzles and eventually escape the constructed puzzles to reach the internet and gain more control over their lives. Also there is a cloud of pixels with the goal of separating the AI back into separate puzzles the way they were originally intended to be. Some of them have different abilities and properties, and they all have different personalities.
If there were a Joker, I would picture her as a sort of rebellious pixel cloud.
Re: Effulgence Fandom Ideas
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:07 pm
by modrony
Kind of sucks.
It is so accepted to write a man losing himself in a relationship, that it is almost the default way romance is depicted in pop-media.
Meanwhile all examples of reverse I have found are accepted as poor role-models if not consciously written to pander to the point of porn.
Not that either way seems healthy to me.
We need more men's-lib literature.