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[DanielH]

In Silmaril it doesn’t really matter for the secret who holed the planet, just that the people who were there are still around and not in Limbo. I don’t think they’re trying too hard to hide either of those facts, and any demon who noticed that can fairly easily figure out that somehow they were resurrected.

[Snark]

That’s what I’d been assuming for 1. before the 32-minute monologue, where he showed he had gotten enough about Cam that I thought he’d have noticed.

Might partly be that so far he's only seen relatively low-variance alts: the Way family and the Feanorians are very similar in appearance, family history, extremely distinctive personality traits, etc. Miranda and Cam, on the other hand, both exhibit non-standard Bell phenotypes. If you don't already know that alts can vary dramatically in appearance (and sometimes other factors), I'm not sure it's an intuitive thing to guess.

Unrelated: some small and horrible part of me wants to see how Revival (the angel-Adana from Incandescence) would react to sad!Cam. I remember she was a little shocked that her alts had all killed people, and was glad that Cam's indestructibility made the usual Bell-harrowing-experiences that drive Adarins to kill more or less impossible. Sad!Cam demonstrates that while he can't be physically threatened or hurt, it's still possible to inflict horrible emotional trauma... And while I suspect that she'd be less inclined to criticize a Bell for killing than she was with her alts, there is also a huge difference in scale.

[PlainDealingVillain]

Unrelated: some small and horrible part of me

This part is named "future glowfic author"

[Alicorn]

I wanted to do Traumadana+Sad Cam too but Aestrix is unsure about producing Traumadana.

[DanielH]

I think Snark was talking about non-Trauma Adana. Something like “instead of a magic mirror appearing in Hell, a door appears in Heaven”, not “Adana summons another demon and then in Heaven gets a door”.

Both of those sound interesting, actually. Would Aestrix be better able to make the first happen?

[Aestrix]

I think non-Traumadana would be harder than the traumatized version, while she comes with less emotional baggage she comes with a lot more narrative baggage, and I am not great at handling baggage of any kind on this subject. I can reasses again later, but right now I'm on a business trip and that kind of puts a damper on what I can write.

[Snark]

Vanilla-flavor Adana was who I was thinking of, yes. Traumadana could be interesting too, but I don't think Cam's particular situation would hit her quite as hard; instead of finding out that someone she loved did something horrifying and is now miserable on account of guilt, she'd be dealing with a strange demon who happens to have done something particularly awful. And her particular flavor of trauma doesn't make it easy for her to empathize with/reach out to a particular demon.

Aestrix: no worries, I will be happy to read whatever you put out whenever you get around to it. I do miss reading Adarin, but I like Yvette a great deal.

[Nemo]

The Room of Requirement wizards keep talking about goblets that multiply when you touch them. In Deathly Hallows they described that as "they have added Gemino and [irrelevantly] Flagrante Curses," which really does sound like something you could do to any object.

So I propose that it started as a goblets-only spell for whatever reason, and in the intervening two hundred years someone managed to generalize it. (Whether they were motivated by how silly it is for the spell to work exclusively on goblets is left as an exercise for the reader.) And when Voldemort was deciding what protections to put on which Horcruxes, of course he'd go for the spell with the relevant history.

[DanielH]

It sounded like a thing Gringotts did to everything in the vault, not Voldemort personally, but that makes some sense.

Also, Hermione cast Geminio to duplicate Slytherin’s locket so Unbridge wouldn’t know it had been stolen. This seems like a probably related spell.

[Diaeresis]

i think nemo meant the flagrante was the irrelevant one.