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Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:24 pm
by DanielH
Is everybody stuck and I should give more hints?
Is everybody annoyed that I’m giving too many hints and I should tone it down?
Has everybody just gone on vacation?
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:43 pm
by Unbitwise
raises hand at “gone on vacation” Also I got distracted. And sick.
I now observe, where I did not before, that we have 22 but not 222, so “substrings of yes are yes” is false. I have no other hypotheses to work from at the moment.
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:23 pm
by Unbitwise
88
107
ef5
0498521
1498521
2498521
3498521
4498521
5498521
6498521
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:04 pm
by DanielH
Unbitwise wrote:I now observe, where I did not before, that we have 22 but not 222, so “substrings of yes are yes” is false. I have no other hypotheses to work from at the moment.
Without commenting on the conclusion, this implication is incorrect. This is similar to how you don’t need to
turn over the red card in te Wason selection task.
Yes: 2498521
No: 0498521,
107,
1498521,
3498521,
4498521,
5498521,
6498521,
88,
ef5
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:39 pm
by Unbitwise
Sorry, that was indeed entirely mixed up reasoning.
Guess: Any substring of any one of 102, 2498521, 5ef8, 07, 6, 22, a, b, e4, f1, f5, fc
(If the structural hypothesis behind this guess is correct, then this guess will be a subset.)
22498521
24985210
24985211
24985212
24985213
24985214
24985215
24985216
24985217
24985218
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:49 pm
by DanielH
Guess: Any substring of any one of 102, 2498521, 5ef8, 07, 6, 22, a, b, e4, f1, f5, fc
(If the structural hypothesis behind this guess is correct, then this guess will be a subset.)
I never promised to confirm subsets, but in this case I will. This is one; there are no
no counterexamples. You’ve already guessed a
yes counterexample, though:
Yes: 24985218
No: 22498521,
24985210,
24985211,
24985212,
24985213,
24985214,
24985215,
24985216,
24985217
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2016 9:04 pm
by Unbitwise
Okay, so that is (imperfect) evidence that the rule accepts substrings and not only suffixes.
It's also interesting that the-thing-of-which-24985218-is-a-substring hasn't proven to have any characters in the a-f range (yet), but I suspect that's just a coincidence.
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 8:53 am
by Unbitwise
ef1
0f1
1f1
2f1
3f1
4f1
5f1
6f1
7f1
8f1
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:16 pm
by DanielH
Yes: 5f1 and 8f1
No: the others
Full post later
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:09 pm
by Unbitwise
5f5
8f5
5fc
8fc
8e
8ef
8ef8
107
122
220