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Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:00 pm
by anthusiasm
Whoops, didn't see your last post! Yeah, of all the people in townreading I had the weakest evidence for Eva. I'll vote for her but I'll change it if she has an explanation.

kill Eva

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:23 pm
by BlueSkySprite
We know the mafia were given fake role claims and almost certainly fake role PMs.
I think the counter claim of Miller was probably staged. I don't think Harriet has any good reason to be visiting people at night, especially the murder victim. The role pm Eva provided doesn't sound like a Miller and wouldn't make sense for a false report of where she went at night.

Also now we know that mafia are not all from the same story.

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:52 pm
by Eva
Alicorn is an evil evil Lord Helix.

Apparently I am not a miller, but a sleepwalker. There's my effing subversion of genre convention. Either that, or BlueSkySprite is getting inaccurate info/is scum. In any case, something is very badly wrong, because I did not visit anyone last night (to my knowledge).

I don't blame anyone for voting me, because I would probably vote me given said info, but please stop and think for a moment. If the mafia were given full rolepms for falseclaiming, then why did Paradox's PM look different from everyone else's? Clearly he had to fabricate it himself.

Secondly, assume I'm mafia for the moment AND that mafia get full rolepm claims (which they apparently don't, but assume it anyway.) In that case I counterclaimed my own scummate with a PM that wasn't even a clear 'miller' PM, when I could have falsified something much better because I knew the format. Do you really think I'm bad enough at this game to make my counterclaim that poor, given your personal opinions of my prior experience?

That's pretty much all I have to say on the matter of my defense.

Now, on to other business:

Lynch Hybridzizi

Hybridzizi has been coasting and being wishy-washy all game. Evidence:
hybridzizi wrote:"I don't have much input on this discussion yet. Probably just gonna lurk until I have some strong suspicions or am back at my computer tomorrow."

"I'm still not having any strong suspicions about anything, but I figure I should try and hop on here a couple times this morning before I start my five hour freakin drive home."

"The one weird thing I'm noticing is that Shoal seems to really be pushing for productivity in our posts even though I'm not seeing much information to be productive with yet."

"vote modrony

because their pushing for a first-day lynch whether or not the lynchee is innocent means they shouldn't be upset about being that innocent lynchee"

"...people who seem a tiny bit suspicious to me are Tamien and BlueSkySprite, but both of those are pretty much just "I'm getting a suspicious vibe." And it's not even a strong vibe. It's just that I have both of their names written in my notes under "vaguely suspicious." Well, also PDV, but I feel like that goes without saying since he's (probably) confirmed independent. I'm also bouncing between "pistachi0n is CLEARLY scum" and "pistachi0n is OBVIOUSLY town" but I think that's mostly because I know her irl so her posts are automatically more memorable to me and my brain wants an in-game reason. I've pretty much decided to trust her because her powerclaim seems like it was an unnecessarily big risk when it was made. I am excited to see it confirmed tonight, though."

"Overall, I'm pretty happy to just assume you all are town. It seems like we kinda keep finding scum by accident. As long as that keeps happening, I don't feel much pressure to be suspicious of people I don't have a good reason to be suspicious of. (...I might not be the best at this game)"
From Hybridzizi herself:
hybridzizi wrote:"So I think everyone with an opinion on me is weakly scumreading me. I'm glad it's weak for everyone, but that's still pretty concerning. I guess I need to try to be chattier on here, but it feels to me like I'm posting lots. I never post this much online!"

Generally, I find that when everyone feels that someone is scum, they tend to be scum.

On the other side of this case:

Hybridzizi did votals near d1 end. That's pretty much it for her positive engagement so far as I can tell.

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 7:55 pm
by Eva
Oh, also! Pistachi0n was town, so Shoal is confirmed town now. Please nobody vote for them.

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:05 pm
by epsilonbeta
I'm sorry, but your analysis is correct, and I will in fact
Vote Eva
despite protestations.

Even if you are 100% honest about your (known) win condition, there's still the problem of you having been caught killing pistachi0n, the only death that occurred last night. Additionally, I was slightly suspicious of you yesterDay, and find it eminently plausible that only some of the scum got safeclaims, something your faction didn't think to nightchat about until it was too late; and that your counterclaim(after BSS mentioned their investigation results, which you knew to be accurate) was an attempt to tap town points(and plausible deniability for future investigations, I forget, were you the one who mentioned millerclaiming as the thing to do /before/ someone had/shared results?) from a bandwagon rapidly accelerating toward inevitability.

I am also inclined to suspect HybridZizi, but obviously not nearly as much. While I'm giving at least 70% to a town win at the end of the Day, she's at the top of my other!scum-list. (Alternatives: Alicorn is evil and investigation results are false, Alicorn is slightly evil and results are merely /misleading/ via e.g. fairy scumleader who performs kills by proxy of anyone they can Name, Alicorn is barely evil and threw in an extra mafia or murderous scum beyond the four/five we know of so far).

Anthusiasm: I recognize that calling for suspicion lists yesterday and then never getting around to posting one is not the best move. I will get around to posting a more comprehensive list assuming we all agree about Eva, but for now the ranking of players in order of decreasing townread:
- epsilonbeta because, well, I've seen my role PM
- BlueSkySprite because REDACTED which she just used to get a Mafia lynched, x2 if this list is ever relevant.
- Tamien because strong investigative result for her being Town
- Shoal because investigative result for them not being "more scummy" than jalapeno_dude
- PDV is a passive independent, might be worth lynching if have no strong leads but is probably town-compatible
- anthusiasm by process of elimination
- HybridZizi has been posting mostly fluff, when prompted for suspicions listed four people we now know are town/ish, everyone else also seems to have a scumread. My main expectation is she's new and we've already caught all the scum, but if there's anyone else, it's her
- Eva just killed a man

On second thought, I'm not sure what "more comprehensive" would entail; request not to discuss extensively unless you agree about and have also voted for Eva, I guess. And uh, apologies for inconsistent usage of "top of the list".

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 9:57 pm
by BlueSkySprite
Maybe you're telling the truth and are really Harriet. You still almost certainly killed pistachi0n last night. Nobody else died and you visited her. I was confirmed non mafia by pistachi0n in last evening's voting and have been correct twice so far with my information.
(Also, Shoal is not a "him")

If you are sleepwalking and killing people, we still don't want you in the town to kill people.

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:26 pm
by Eva
BlueSkySprite wrote:Maybe you're telling the truth and are really Harriet. You still almost certainly killed pistachi0n last night. Nobody else died and you visited her. I was confirmed non mafia by pistachi0n in last evening's voting and have been correct twice so far with my information.
(Also, Shoal is not a "him")

If you are sleepwalking and killing people, we still don't want you in the town to kill people.
All I can say is that if that is actually my role I will swear at the gods a lot.

(Also I really don't understand why I keep misgendering Shoal, I'm very sorry about it. T_T)

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:40 pm
by BlueSkySprite
Town:
Tamien: confirmed town by my investigation
Shoal: confirmed town by pistachi0n voting vs jalapeno dude.
BlueSkySprite: confirmed non mafia by pistachi0n voting vs Paradox.

Independent:
PDV: confirmed independent by my investigation.

Scum:
Eva: evidence is highly suggestive that Eva killed pistachi0n last night.

Speculation (most to least town):
Epsilon: has been declaring actual suspicions and giving clear and I think good suggestions for what town should do.
Anthusiasm: has been participating in things. I think she's been acting fairly town, although sometimes it feels a little vague.
HybridZizi: has been very lurking very vague.

However, I would expect an actual mafia to instruct her on how to look less ridiculously suspicious. So my actual suspicions are Anthusiasm before HybridZizi, because Anthusiasm acts less like obvious scum and more like what I'd expect from scum pretending to be town.

So suspicions among unknown (most to least scummy): Anthusiasm, HybridZizi, Epsilon.
Also we need to be careful not to forget PDV, just in case.

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:43 am
by Shoal
Vote: Eva

will try to step up my activity guys; i’m really sorry.

Re: Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 1:14 pm
by HybridZizi
Alright, well since people are starting to get actively suspicious of me and today is the best day to use my power, now seems like a good time to claim my identity. I am Holly and Crystal from Hubward. I am town (we are town?). Part of my power is that I get to cast two votes, which I will be doing today. I really hope the faries-using-names theory is incorrect or this may come back to bite me.

Next item of business:
vote Eva

Finally, I would like to note suspicion towards epsilonbeta. I feel vaguely set up by him suddenly. I listed two people I was suspicious of, one of whom turned out to be scum and the other one seems to have murdered pistachi0n, and he asked for other suspicions. I gave them while noting that they weren't strong suspicions and probably should be ignored and now he is using them as a reason to scumread me. I form ideas quietly and dislike sharing them until they are formed. I did so anyway because I was asked to and now the asker is trying to use this fact against me and I don't like it.