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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 7:52 am
by DanielH
I’ve been thinking about arranging the letters in a grid or something, but I don’t know if that would help

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:49 am
by Lambda
So it looks like y is probably a consonant.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:43 pm
by Lambda
The pattern with the most data so far is CvvC:

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.b .c .d .f .g .h .j .k .l .m .n .p .q .r .s .t .v .w .x .y .z
         bf          bk bl BM BN BP    BR BS bt
                                             ft
                     gk                gr
                        kl    KN KP
                     lk       NN          NS
                     pk          pp
                     sk       SN       SR
boob
bead
buoy
cued
coif
cook
coil
coin
coup
cues

I guess "four-letter words of the form <consonant><vowel><vowel>n".

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 12:59 pm
by DanielH
I guess “four-letter words of the form <consonant><vowel><vowel><consonant other than k>” Edit: never mind that doesn't do what I want. I guess the union of that, “anything of non-four length” and “anything of length four that does not match cvvc”. That is, I guess the rule where all and only <consonant><vowel><vowel>k is excluded.

coat
dial
dies
heed
jail
quit
toil
veer
zoos

Edit: was the combination of the l, m, and n lines intentional?

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:03 pm
by Unbitwise
Yes: buoy coup dies veer zoos
No: boob bead cued coif cook coil coin cues coat dial heed jail quit toil

'coin' and any non-four-letter yes word serve as counterexamples to Lambda's guess and DanielH's guess.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:08 pm
by DanielH
I edited my guess to be a superset of the known yesses.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:37 pm
by Unbitwise
I guess the rule where all and only <consonant><vowel><vowel>k is excluded.
This is a superset.

Hint: So is "does not end with 'k'".

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 1:47 pm
by Lambda
It was not intentional.

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.b .d .f .h .k .l .m .n .p .r .s .t .w .x .y .z
bb bd bf    bk bl BM BN BP BR BS bt       BY     b.
   cd cf    ck cl    cn CP    cs ct    --        c.
-- -- --       -- -- -- -- -- DS --              d.
   -- --       -- -- --    -- -- ft              f.
   -- --    gk --    -- -- gr -- --          --  g.
   hd --    hk --       -- -- -- --    --        h.
               jl    -- -- --                --  j.
            kk kl    KN KP                       k.
   dl       lk    -- -- -- -- -- --              l.
   --       mk -- -- --    -- -- -- --           m.
   --       nk --    NN    -- NS --              n.
   -- -- -- pk -- -- -- pp -- -- --              p.
   --                   --       qt       -- --  q.
   --       rk -- -- -- -- -- -- --              r.
   --       sk -- -- SN -- SR -- --              s.
   --       tk tl -- --    -- -- --              t.
   --          --    -- -- VR --    --           v.
   -- --    wk --    -- -- -- -- --              w.
      -- --                -- --                 y.
               -- --          ZS                 z.
coax
daub
deed
deaf
deal

deem
dean
deep
dear
duet

I guess "does not end with 'l'".

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:08 pm
by Unbitwise
Yes: coax deem dean deep dear
No: daub deed deaf deal duet

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I guess "does not end with 'l'".
This is a superset.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:27 pm
by Lambda

Code: Select all

.b .d .f .h .k .l .m .n .p .r .s .t .w .x .y .z
bb bd bf    bk bl BM BN BP BR BS bt       BY     b.
   cd cf    ck cl    cn CP    cs ct    CX        c.
db dd df       dl DM DN DP DR DS dt              d.
   -- --       fl -- --    -- -- ft              f.
   -- --    gk gl    -- -- gr -- --          --  g.
   hd --    hk hl       -- -- -- --    --        h.
               jl    -- -- --                --  j.
            kk kl    KN KP                       k.
   dl       lk    -- -- -- -- -- --              l.
   --       mk ml -- --    -- -- -- --           m.
   --       nk nl    NN    -- NS --              n.
   -- -- -- pk pl -- -- pp -- -- --              p.
   --                   --       qt       -- --  q.
   --       rk rl -- -- -- -- -- --              r.
   --       sk sl -- SN -- SR -- --              s.
   --       tk tl -- --    -- -- --              t.
   --          vl    -- -- VR --    --           v.
   -- --    wk wl    -- -- -- -- --              w.
      -- --                -- --                 y.
               zl --          ZS                 z.
foam
faun
fair
foes

goon
goop
geas
goat

heap
hear


I guess "ends with a, e, m, n, p, r, s, x, or y".