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Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:09 am
by jalapeno_dude
Tamien wrote:sate your thirst for Blood
Is it acceptable to vote to kill Tamien entirely on the basis of that pun? I think it is.

...more seriously, here are my suspicions as promised:
My Suspicions as Promised. Yes, I know I just said that, but apparently the spoiler-box tag requires a name argument to function correctly.
Full disclosure: I read people's spoilered suspicions as they were posted. Sorry, I was physically unable to help myself. Well, more accurately I was *able* to help myself if I really wanted to, but I only have a finite store of willpower per day and I am not going to expend any of it on resisting clicking the + button on posts in a play-by-post mafia game. So actually, I guess I am not sorry. Hmm, something about spoiler boxes seems to make me get really rambly.

...anyway, the point is that you should not take my suspicions as entirely independent of everyone else's. But you really shouldn't take anyone else's to be independent except whoever posted first, because I'm like 95% sure that the vast majority of other players in the game *also* read other people's suspicions before posting their own.

Regardless:

-I stand by my earlier statements about Alphabeta. I therefore find BSS and Alphabeta significantly less suspicious than the average player in this game.

-I have noticed a couple of players making statements or taking actions that they did not explain and seem to depend on non-public information. In particular:
-wolffreak567 stated that she did not find Aestrix or MTC (and only these two) to be suspicious. She did not explain further. I note that MTC voted against Aestrix, so this lack of suspicion does not seem to have been reciprocated.
-modrony switched from no lynch to wolffreak567 (and attempted to switch back, but failed) just before the deadline. The switching to no lynch is understandable given the Aestrix stuff, but the switch to wolffreak567 was not explained. I would like to see an explanation of this sequence of events from them.

Last game people got angry at me for "trying to seek out information-gathering players" (or something like that). So I anticipate people getting annoyed at me for pointing that wolffreak567 and modrony seem to have additional information beyond what Town has. However, if we believe Aestrix there are five mafia members (who would have this extra information if they have a communication channel, or, like Aestrix herself, just know each other's identities), and it seems unlikely to me that there are that many non-mafia players with access to inside information, especially with access to inside information on the first day. I therefore find these two more suspicious than the average player in this game.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:17 am
by Alphabeta
Tamien wrote:Oh also, it's only somewhat thread-relevant, but to those who were hoping to read Elcenia to help with rolespec lists, I have ebookified all the Elcenia writings on the main Elcenia page and Alicorn has put them up on the site. So, there are now epubs and mobis available if you prefer reading in those formats (I do). Also, if you read Blood using the previous ebook version (as I did): that version only went through Apprentice - the first of *five* parts! There is actually *way more Blood* than you may have realized! The new ebooks have the whole thing and will thus allow you to sate your thirst for Blood.
This is a Mafia game. Our thirst for Blood can only be quenched when it ends.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:56 am
by modrony
Time currently remaining: 1 day 11 hours.
I think we should start the discussion to leave room for some debate.

If you don't have your suspicions, please stop now and formulate some.

I'll be reacting to things in couple of hours.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:37 am
by Kappa
Tamien wrote:Image
Suspicion discussion: I was mildly suspicious of wolffreak to start (my note reads "Super untalkative & mysterious"), but every time wolffreak says or does anything I get more suspicious. They've jumped to third place after PDV since I posted my list.

And for the record, I absolutely do deploy willpower to avoid reading other people's suspicion lists before I post mine.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:55 am
by modrony
It's pretty quiet. I guess most of you are asleep.
I'll put things in spoiler, thou I do think we should move to open discussion at this point in the day.
The voting pattern: I was panicking under the timeline, pure and simple.
I read Aestrixs post and thought "mafia info!!" It was only after the day had ended that I reread the part about Alicorns game allegedly breaking down and thought it was implausible.
That was the first vote for no lych.
I then went for a frantic search for wolfs correct name because I didn't want to vote no lynch; It is absolutely the wrong thing to do. I remembered somebody else voting for them earlier and I did find them suspicious.http://alicorn.elcenia.com/board/viewto ... 190#p11234
(You can also check my opinion on 'no lych' from the previous game)
I then realized that had no hope of winning over Aestrix and tried to change the vote back to no lynch.
Also, if I didn't want to protect Aestrix in the moment I could just not have posted anything and she'd have been under the COIN.

@Alphabeta
The question isn't "is this method accurate?" it's "is it better than verified random vote?"
The method did what it was supposed to do. You were genuinely suspicious and people weren't pointing that out.
With what happened with Aestrix, I do believe part of the support for the idea was mafia influenced. Being the originator of the idea would make me genuinely suspect as you were, if I didn't start to lobby for the idea way before Aestrix was selected.

@jalapeno_dude: "I'm like 95% sure that the vast majority of other players in the game *also* read other people's suspicions before posting their own."
Don't do that! We might as well not do those things at all if people do that!
It might have become clear to everyone that I am slightly enamoured with the idea. Maybe it's because it is my baby, but I do truly believe it is a good idea even if it has been tainted by mafia association.

At least write something down privately before you do that!

I miss crypts. DanielH said he was doing something to streamline their use. I hope he is making progress.
Maybe I am taking things too seriously here, but I do believe that if a thing is worth doing it is worth doing in a efficient manner.
We have a chance here to showcase the value of human ingenuity and teamwork over flashy powers. I do understand that many aren't willing to put the work in (or refrain from clicking of a cross, or doing a first day lynch) for a hobby, but I do wish that wasn't the reality we live in.

If we aren't trying to win then what is the point?

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:00 am
by Kappa
modrony, long mouseover-spoilers are an ENORMOUS pain to read. Please use spoiler-boxes for anything longer than like a paragraph.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:02 am
by modrony
Kappa wrote:And for the record, I absolutely do deploy willpower to avoid reading other people's suspicion lists before I post mine.
<3

Also: Ok. I'll repost it in a box.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:04 am
by modrony
reposting for easier reading..

I'll put things in spoiler, thou I do think we should move to open discussion at this point in the day.
boxed
It's pretty quiet. I guess most of you are asleep.
The voting pattern: I was panicking under the timeline, pure and simple.
I read Aestrixs post and thought "mafia info!!" It was only after the day had ended that I reread the part about Alicorns game allegedly breaking down and thought it was implausible.
That was the first vote for no lych.
I then went for a frantic search for wolfs correct name because I didn't want to vote no lynch; It is absolutely the wrong thing to do. I remembered somebody else voting for them earlier and I did find them suspicious.http://alicorn.elcenia.com/board/viewto ... 190#p11234
(You can also check my opinion on 'no lych' from the previous game)
I then realized that had no hope of winning over Aestrix and tried to change the vote back to no lynch.
Also, if I didn't want to protect Aestrix in the moment I could just not have posted anything and she'd have been under the COIN.

@Alphabeta
The question isn't "is this method accurate?" it's "is it better than verified random vote?"
The method did what it was supposed to do. You were genuinely suspicious and people weren't pointing that out.
With what happened with Aestrix, I do believe part of the support for the idea was mafia influenced. Being the originator of the idea would make me genuinely suspect as you were, if I didn't start to lobby for the idea way before Aestrix was selected.

@jalapeno_dude: "I'm like 95% sure that the vast majority of other players in the game *also* read other people's suspicions before posting their own."
Don't do that! We might as well not do those things at all if people do that!
It might have become clear to everyone that I am slightly enamoured with the idea. Maybe it's because it is my baby, but I do truly believe it is a good idea even if it has been tainted by mafia association.

At least write something down privately before you do that!

I miss crypts. DanielH said he was doing something to streamline their use. I hope he is making progress.
Maybe I am taking things too seriously here, but I do believe that if a thing is worth doing it is worth doing in a efficient manner.
We have a chance here to showcase the value of human ingenuity and teamwork over flashy powers. I do understand that many aren't willing to put the work in (or refrain from clicking of a cross, or doing a first day lynch) for a hobby, but I do wish that wasn't the reality we live in.

If we aren't trying to win then what is the point?

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:17 am
by modrony
Maybe we should weaponize poor formatting? Make suspicion-spoilers unpleasant to read so people aren't tempted to open them?
I do admit that my sense of aesthetics rebels against the idea and it might cause player-fatigue.

Re: Elcenia Mafia Game Thread

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:23 am
by Kappa
Do not weaponize poor formatting. Bad idea. Don't do the thing. That way lies mass abandonment of the whole plan.