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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:33 am
by Kappa
Rejections for formatting don't make the "no" list, as we discovered when I tried '123456789'.
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:40 am
by Moriwen
'ebe' got omitted from the list.
More experiments in ordering:
'bzc'
'zbc'
'zcb'
'cbz'
'czb'
Experiments with vowels:
'bbce'
'baeiou'
'aeioub'
'bbceeeeee'
'bcc'
I note that every failed koan so far has a vowel in it.
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:59 am
by Throne3d
'bbć'
'bbç'
'bbĉ'
'bbc̆' – should display with the semicircle ('breve') above the 'c' but is displaying weirdly for me here
'bbč'
I have no idea what sorts of accents are allowed in the guess input, since apparently 'ë' is allowed as an input.
'qwx'
'zym'
'myz'
'xwq'
(There seem to be a few 'three-consonant' allows?)
'odd'
Are we allowed whitespace, or just letters?
'this test' for example
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:01 am
by Timepoof
'before'?
'brood'?
'box'?
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:07 am
by DanielH
It could be that ë is just treated as e, but I would expect then ſ to count as s, and ß to count as ss.
'a'
'd'
'e'
'f'
'g'
'h'
'i'
'j'
'k'
'l'
'm'
'n'
'o'
'p'
'q'
'r'
't'
'u'
'v'
'w'
'x'
'y'
'z'
'bb'
'thistest'
EDIT: removed 'c' because it was repeated.
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:07 am
by Kappa
I request that Pedro tell us whether or not Roman-alphabet letters wearing accents are having their accents discounted in preprocessing - in other words, for rule evaluation purposes, are all of Throne's variously decorated 'bbc's considered to be the same string?
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:25 am
by pedromvilar
DanielH wrote:It could be that ë is just treated as e, but I would expect then ſ to count as s, and ß to count as ss.
Kappa wrote:I request that Pedro tell us whether or not Roman-alphabet letters wearing accents are having their accents discounted in preprocessing - in other words, for rule evaluation purposes, are all of Throne's variously decorated 'bbc's considered to be the same string?
I'm discounting accents from Roman alphabet letters and considering Fëanor to be the same as Feanor and, therefore, all of Throne's attempts at bbc are the same. I'm not considering ſ to count as s or ß to count as ss because those aren't just Roman alphabet letters with accents.
Kappa wrote:'abcdef'
'ghijklm'
'nopqrs'
'tuvwxyz'
Yes, no, no, no
Moriwen wrote:'ebe' got omitted from the list.
More experiments in ordering:
'bzc'
'zbc'
'zcb'
'cbz'
'czb'
Experiments with vowels:
'bbce'
'baeiou'
'aeioub'
'bbceeeeee'
'bcc'
I note that every failed koan so far has a vowel in it.
I have added 'ebe' to the list.
Ordering experiments: all of those are yesses.
Vowel experiments: no, yes, yes, no, yes
Throne3d wrote:'qwx'
'zym'
'myz'
'xwq'
(There seem to be a few 'three-consonant' allows?)
'odd'
Are we allowed whitespace, or just letters?
'this test' for example
Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, I'm gonna consider whitespaces as not present so thistest is a no.
Timepoof wrote:'before'?
'brood'?
'box'?
All no
DanielH wrote:'a'
'd'
'e'
'f'
'g'
'h'
'i'
'j'
'k'
'l'
'm'
'n'
'o'
'p'
'q'
'r'
't'
'u'
'v'
'w'
'x'
'y'
'z'
'bb'
e, i, o, and u are nos, the rest are yes
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:32 am
by Throne3d
'cz'
'czz'
'czzz'
'czzzz'
'cc'
'ccc'
'cccc'
'ccccc'
'aaa'
'aab'
'abc'
'qwertyuiop'
'asdfghjkl'
'zxcvbnm'
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:33 am
by Timepoof
'fore'?
'bi'?
'frost'?
'ood'?
'ox'?
'yo'?
'you'?
Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:35 am
by Moriwen
Okay, at this point I'm pretty sure that having at least one vowel is necessary-but-not-sufficient to get a "no". So now I'm trying to figure out what can redeem a string with vowels in it.
...Is the rule "if the string contains vowels, they must be in alphabetical order, starting at a, not skipping or repeating any, but possibly stopping before getting through all the vowels"?