Mori's Minions
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Aside: there is a bit of an argument that people have regarding whether circumcision is medically beneficial, harmful, or neutral; and given whichever assumption there, a further argument regarding circumcising babies. I don't want to argue any of that, but you should probably consider it Not Settled.
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Okay, thanks, noted. I'll put that with cosleeping on my list of Controversial Parenting Things.
(My family is all girls so it's never actually come up in my life.)
(My family is all girls so it's never actually come up in my life.)
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There's an argument to be made that religious parents will feel strongly enough about performing circumcisions that you must let them or they'll do it unsafely, even if you think nonconsensual permanent modification of a child's body is unconscionable.
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This is supposed to be a dystopia. It does not reflect my views on pretty much anything. ;)
(I seem to have opened a can of worms I did not intend upon. I do not think I actually have enough information to have opinions about circumcision. I have lots of opinions about my AU, though, and am happy to answer questions about that!)
(I seem to have opened a can of worms I did not intend upon. I do not think I actually have enough information to have opinions about circumcision. I have lots of opinions about my AU, though, and am happy to answer questions about that!)
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Your worldbuilding is super cool and has the exact kind of focus I like <3
So what actually happens to genetically engineered people who get caught? Do they get thrown in regular-people prison, are there separate facilities meant to contain them (since presumably people would think of them as a serious threat), or some combination (special max-security sections of regular-people prison, regular-people prison but more likely to have their rights violated, etc)? Also, do you mind going into more detail about "anonymously advocating for stuff"? While there's some major policy-based issues a lot of the problems in this setting seem to be social problems, so what stuff specifically are they advocating for? Also also wrt the other people on the colony where the Resistance planet is located, are they generally sympathetic to the Resistance/are there political stereotypes about this particular colony?
So what actually happens to genetically engineered people who get caught? Do they get thrown in regular-people prison, are there separate facilities meant to contain them (since presumably people would think of them as a serious threat), or some combination (special max-security sections of regular-people prison, regular-people prison but more likely to have their rights violated, etc)? Also, do you mind going into more detail about "anonymously advocating for stuff"? While there's some major policy-based issues a lot of the problems in this setting seem to be social problems, so what stuff specifically are they advocating for? Also also wrt the other people on the colony where the Resistance planet is located, are they generally sympathetic to the Resistance/are there political stereotypes about this particular colony?
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<3 These are questions I have answers for!
Genetically altered people (there's probably some kind of slur for them but I haven't thought of one yet) who get caught get maximum-security until it's figured out what exactly their modifications are through a genetic scan. Which is generally illegal to do to people, even prisoners, nonconsensually, because privacy violation, but you can get a warrant if you have evidence that someone is genetically altered.
In practice, people are almost always genetically altered in order to fix some kind of awful condition. (Gene therapy to do minor genetic alterations in children is a thing in this universe -- you couldn't use it to build a supersoldier but could use it to fix sickle-cell. Still illegal.) So they're no more dangerous than anyone else. So they get thrown in with the general population. They usually get a short prison sentence (a few months to a couple years) for "falsifying ID" or "holding a job without certification" or something similar, and a note affixed to their file so anyone who runs their ID knows not to hire them etc. There's some pressure to have repeat offenders tattooed or otherwise permanently marked so "normal people" can know to avoid them, but that hasn't passed yet. Definitely likely to be treated really badly in prison, because of general dislike/fear plus it's really hard for them to get legal resource to complain.
The Resistance definitely has a problem in that they're going against society broadly, not just the government. They really are a borderline terrorist group -- they don't tend to set off bombs in crowded places, but that's pretty much where they draw the line. They do a wide range of stuff -- Jean, because personality and skill set, is in on the really deep end. There's plenty of, like, teenagers spray-painting public buildings with Resistance symbols and slogans. They liaise with people who do genetic engineering on the black market, and try to get them in touch with people who have genetic conditions but want biological kids. Smoke bombs at press conferences where things they disapprove of are being announced. Helping people figure out ways to practice their religion underground. Finding sympathetic families and influencing bureaucracy to get kids who were taken away from their families for "religious indoctrination" adopted to them. Political assassinations have probably happened.
The particular planet is unexceptional for an Outer Rim colony. It's mostly the equivalent of poor people in a terrible moneyless society: people who lack skills or influence to get them stuff. (Zari weaves because handmade goods are a valuable commodity in a society with replicators; people who don't have skills like that aren't going to be able to, say, bribe someone to get them a seat on a starship.) One solution for people like that is to volunteer for a colony, since that puts you in a situation where your skills may be useful and the government kind of owes you one, and if the colony turns out well there's a good chance you'll have social power there. Unfortunately the success rate isn't all that great, so you end up with situations like this where there's just sort of people stranded there without a lot of clout to get anything. Resistance went there because they needed somewhere to gather for [reasons I haven't totally worked out], and who pays attention to a place like that anyway? Unfortunately this time they got caught.
Genetically altered people (there's probably some kind of slur for them but I haven't thought of one yet) who get caught get maximum-security until it's figured out what exactly their modifications are through a genetic scan. Which is generally illegal to do to people, even prisoners, nonconsensually, because privacy violation, but you can get a warrant if you have evidence that someone is genetically altered.
In practice, people are almost always genetically altered in order to fix some kind of awful condition. (Gene therapy to do minor genetic alterations in children is a thing in this universe -- you couldn't use it to build a supersoldier but could use it to fix sickle-cell. Still illegal.) So they're no more dangerous than anyone else. So they get thrown in with the general population. They usually get a short prison sentence (a few months to a couple years) for "falsifying ID" or "holding a job without certification" or something similar, and a note affixed to their file so anyone who runs their ID knows not to hire them etc. There's some pressure to have repeat offenders tattooed or otherwise permanently marked so "normal people" can know to avoid them, but that hasn't passed yet. Definitely likely to be treated really badly in prison, because of general dislike/fear plus it's really hard for them to get legal resource to complain.
The Resistance definitely has a problem in that they're going against society broadly, not just the government. They really are a borderline terrorist group -- they don't tend to set off bombs in crowded places, but that's pretty much where they draw the line. They do a wide range of stuff -- Jean, because personality and skill set, is in on the really deep end. There's plenty of, like, teenagers spray-painting public buildings with Resistance symbols and slogans. They liaise with people who do genetic engineering on the black market, and try to get them in touch with people who have genetic conditions but want biological kids. Smoke bombs at press conferences where things they disapprove of are being announced. Helping people figure out ways to practice their religion underground. Finding sympathetic families and influencing bureaucracy to get kids who were taken away from their families for "religious indoctrination" adopted to them. Political assassinations have probably happened.
The particular planet is unexceptional for an Outer Rim colony. It's mostly the equivalent of poor people in a terrible moneyless society: people who lack skills or influence to get them stuff. (Zari weaves because handmade goods are a valuable commodity in a society with replicators; people who don't have skills like that aren't going to be able to, say, bribe someone to get them a seat on a starship.) One solution for people like that is to volunteer for a colony, since that puts you in a situation where your skills may be useful and the government kind of owes you one, and if the colony turns out well there's a good chance you'll have social power there. Unfortunately the success rate isn't all that great, so you end up with situations like this where there's just sort of people stranded there without a lot of clout to get anything. Resistance went there because they needed somewhere to gather for [reasons I haven't totally worked out], and who pays attention to a place like that anyway? Unfortunately this time they got caught.
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I'm actually intensely curious about how this government/society would react to definitely-natural/non-engineered X-Men style mutants.
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Well now I am too!
If it happened in a hundred years or so once they've met a bunch more aliens, I think it would go really smoothly, because at that point they've got a working model for "meet new people with exciting powers, respect their culture, integrate them into society," and it's just the easiest thing to slot mutants into that model. But at this point ... I'm not really sure.
If it happened in a hundred years or so once they've met a bunch more aliens, I think it would go really smoothly, because at that point they've got a working model for "meet new people with exciting powers, respect their culture, integrate them into society," and it's just the easiest thing to slot mutants into that model. But at this point ... I'm not really sure.
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And while I'm writing things up! Elements-verse. This one's kind of long.
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About the Star Trek ’Verse, two things:
1. It looks like when you say you’re mostly taking canon as given, that doesn’t include Enterprise, right? There are some incompatibilities with the rest of canon, but a lot of incompatibilities there, so I just wanted to check.
2. The official term for genetically-engineered individuals (at least the classic Eugenics Wars version, maybe not somebody like (Star Trek spoiler) Dr. Bashir) is Augment; a good slur might be a corruption of that?
1. It looks like when you say you’re mostly taking canon as given, that doesn’t include Enterprise, right? There are some incompatibilities with the rest of canon, but a lot of incompatibilities there, so I just wanted to check.
2. The official term for genetically-engineered individuals (at least the classic Eugenics Wars version, maybe not somebody like (Star Trek spoiler) Dr. Bashir) is Augment; a good slur might be a corruption of that?