Alicornutopia

jalapeno_dude, do you think there's a cult in this game? Or, do you think the demon are similar to the cult last game?

I personally am more curious about Paradox than anthusiasum. Anthusiasum was similar last game and she was town, Paradox is doing the same things (although I've never seen Paradox play as town, maybe that's just what they're like.)

Oh, another thought about killing modrony---if she's still alive tomorrow, town will be more suspicious of her. I still think we should kill her, but Kappa's definitely a viable choice.

Sorry for the triple post.

pistachi0n wrote:jalapeno_dude, do you think there's a cult in this game? Or, do you think the demon are similar to the cult last game?

It seems unlikely from a metagaming perspective (I don't see Alicorn/Nemo repeating a game mechanic when there are so many more they could use). I asked about Chelsea because at some point someone said they thought Mafia were usually immune to wincon-changing mechanics, and I wanted to see if that was true in Effulgence (with the logic that it probably works the same way in this game). If we *had* been immune I'd be less worried about demons (and therefore value keeping Kappa in the game less).

I think it would be really funny to not kill modrony, kill someone random instead, and see what town does tomorrow. But like, "for the lulz" is not necessarily good strategy :P Still, if there's someone other than kappa (who I think we should keep around until they start posing a threat to us) that could serve as a replacement, I would definitely consider it. I'm not really feeling like modrony is a threat to us alive right now, given how weird and erratic they were today.

Actually, what IS our kill priority list? We should probably discuss that now that we have a pretty good guess who most people are.

Modrony and Alphabeta both have investigative roles. AB can find out alignment. They need to go. Kappa needs to go once she catches onto us but is useful when confused. BSS and MTC probably don't have special powers but town is unlikely to lynch them. Strategically michaelblume doesn't matter much but I don't like playing with inactive people and he's down a form. Other anti town (paradox? fv? Anthusiasum?) we should probably lynch instead of nightkill because town is likely to go along with it.

I think modrony is significantly more dangerous than Alphabeta to us in the situation we're in (where none of us are particularly suspicious at the moment). Plus Alphabeta has almost no credibility with Town, so easier to talk our way out of an accusation (which is literally just going to be "I think X is scum" with no proof if his power works the way we think it does), especially because I assume he's unwilling to roleclaim. Especially if we're not going to kill Kappa, I think modrony should be the priority. Honestly I'd vote for going after BSS before Alphabeta. There's some possibility that it will kill Alphabeta too, and even if it doesn't we've removed someone who can vouch for him.

If we kill BSS, then they are revealed to be Kanaat and everyone will know Alphabeta is Keo, because of BSS's vouching for Alpha earlier, and suddenly Alphabeta becomes a much bigger threat to us. I think Alphabeta should go before BSS.

I think we should let town kill michaelblume, and not waste our time doing it. Him being inactive is bad for town, not bad for us. kappa we should keep around until he starts suspecting us or otherwise becomes a threat. I kinda forgot about MTC, they are probably higher priority than kappa or michaelblume. futurevision, anthusiasm and Paradox I'm hoping we can get lynched instead of us having to spend our kills on them. I think we could plausibly get modrony lynched but if it doesn't work it might tip our hand.

So I think we actually might want to start targeting Alphabeta since we know we'll have to knock out two forms. Why is modrony more dangerous to us? Alphabeta investigating *any* of us will detect scum, and we make up a pretty sizeable chunk of the population right now, so even if we're not particularly suspicious, the raw odds are not good. Whereas, modrony only gets night actions, and most of us do nothing suspicious at all each night. What's your reasoning that modrony is a more significant danger?

Tamien wrote:What's your reasoning that modrony is a more significant danger?

Hmm. I guess I'm mostly reacting to how modrony and Alphabeta have respectively behaved in the thread. I guess this is not really a good basis. I also feel like killing modrony right now would be merciful, given how much they've been stressing out, but I could be reading them wrong and, more importantly, Mafia is no place for feelings. :p I *do* think that an accusation from modrony is more dangerous than one from Alphabeta, both because of the nature of the accusation ("X killed Y" vs "X is scum"), and because modrony has way more credibility with town (because of the roleclaim and the general playstyle).

But. You're right that Alphabeta has a much higher chance to identify one of us as scum. Plus if modrony doesn't die their credibility will probably go down.

Okay, I guess then the plan could be the following.
1. We send Tulip to attack Alphabeta. Alphabeta will know that they got attacked. No one Town-aligned will know who did it (Alphabeta and modrony could only know by investigating Tulip, which would kill them; anthusiasm/futurevision/Paradox could only know if they have powers not described on their listposts, which would make them not Town-aligned).
2. We have pistachi0n protect Tamien. This protects our most powerful protectable person, and the only person modrony could be suspicious of based on the results of Leekath-powers tonight.
3. We have Tamien investigate either anthusiasm or Paradox, which one TBA.

How does that sound?

modrony is definitely acting like they're stressed and death would be a mercy. But, yeah, there is no good reason for us to be merciful. modrony probably does carry more credibility with the town right now than Alphabeta, but honestly I'm not sure that's not saying too much because I'm pretty sure the only reason people are letting Alpha live is because BSS is vouching for him. People have been putting modrony in the "I trust them but I'm not sure I should trust that feeling" category and I think we can exploit that. And I think that modrony making weird cryptic posts all day does not help their credibility - plus, them not dying in the night when they and everyone else are expecting them to will make them think that a light did get their message and protect them. And possibly make the rest of town think that there is a town light (or that modrony lied about being Leekath and is actually a dragon, I guess). Or maybe some sort of weird demon shenanigans.

Speaking of which, if we send Tulip after Alphabeta tonight, that means that there's a decent chance there will be no death at all tonight, since there was no lynch, and I'm not sure that kappa has anyone she's got it in for right now, which just leaves the mysterious demon to do its thing, which may not involve murder (tonight, at least). I have no idea what this might mean for us in the long run, but I figured I'd note it.

Anyway, I think I like the plan you propose - Alphabeta has not been very forthcoming, and when he has posted he has been terse and grouchy, so if he lets on about having been attacked at all it's not likely to rally town to action the way it would if, eg, kappa cried wolf.And, of course, anyone who is in a position to witness Tulip doing it is likely also in a position to get dead themselves. (Though I'm kindof worrying now that targeting Alpha tonight instead of modrony lets on that we have reason to believe Alphabeta is a bigger threat to us even though modrony has roleclaimed and Alpha hasn't... probably too meta to worry about?)
pistachi0n protecting me is cool, and though I think modrony could also suspect you based on Leekath powers, considering you've been the one performing the kills and all. I kinda wish there were a way we could have modrony get info that would lead them to think pistachi0n used light powers to save them from nightkill tonight, but that seems overly convoluted and risky when we could just, like, cover our own asses instead.
So, we should figure out whether I should investigate anthusiasm or Paradox, I guess. I think Paradox is acting roughly the same as last game, in which they were a killer, but maybe they always act the same. I think anthusiasm is acting kindof wishy-washy, but I don't know what that signifies. I keep vacillating between them when I try to decide. We could always flip a coin. (Perhaps even... THE COIN?)