Re: Sandbox Discussions
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:47 pm
Okay, it's easier to respond to those topics.Bluelantern wrote:Huh, hard to explain, but I think my issues are:
1)Glam is assigning too much blame to themself.
2)They are not assigning enough blame to other people, or at least underplaying their role on this.
*2.1)When Piggot said "You are not negotiating from a position of advantage" (or something like that) I think that marks her a person that can't be trusted to play fair. Which doesn't create a healthy mental enviroment to anyone. Like, that by itself would make me label her as "someone that probably should be removed from power at earliest convenience".
3)They are downplaying their own suffering over the matter, which is sort of... unstable? I mean, I think they need a degree of being certain that they should or should not stick to something, which also includes realizing that their own rights are valid and should be respected.
And... I don't know maybe there is a deal of bias, because I think that Glam suffering is a bad thing?
1) Saddes subscribe to the "Heroic Responsibility" narrative, even if they don't have a name like that for it. It's subverbal, even. Basically, everything is their fault, especially things they should have "known better" than to cause. Glam feels like they should have "known better" in all interactions with adults, so it's all their fault.
2) Along with (1) comes something that's like... a weird mix of everyone being a PC and an NPC. On the one hand, everyone is an agent to Saddes, everyone's interesting, everyone deserves to be treated like a person, and they like everyone. On the other, they understand that some people's disposition and circumstances might make it harder to break out of certain molds or patterns, and they completely sympathise with it and are only sometimes bitter about it. Their description of the situation with Ms. Yates to Youth Guard guy shows some of this: Ms. Yates may not be the best person in the world, but she's been dealing with parahumans for a while, Glam acted in a very threatening way (see (1)) even if they didn't realise this earlier, she was only doing her job and it included following general guidelines the Protectorate had set, etc. This characteristic is less subverbal than (1), it's something they have to sometimes actually think about, but they genuinely do like people in general, they were sincere about it to Lorica, so that helps a lot.
3) They do realise this, but because of (1) and (2) they also do tend to downplay their own suffering as less important. In their opinion, though, they're only making other people's suffering exactly as important as their own. They also have an inner sense of "fairness" that was grossly violated by the YG when they did what they did, causing other people lots of suffering and potentially even ruining Yates' career because of something Glam did recklessly, and Glam feels like Glam "should be punished" for having caused this: because of (1) and (2), punishing other people is nowhere near as effective as punishing themself for not having been able to prevent the disaster.
As for Glam suffering being a bad thing, well, Glam agrees.
I may not :3