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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:50 pm
by DanielH
* Remembers that this updated and comes back to it *
Thoughts
So apparently prepending b shifts the pattern of as ahead by one, as though it were equivalent to another a, prepending 0 shifts it ahead 2, and prepending w shifts it ahead 3. I don’t know why those letters have those values.

In the wider array of context of order not seeming to matter, this implies that concatenation is some sort of addition, not multiplication. I formed that hypothesis fairly early on but it didn’t work in any way I could discern so I abandoned it. With these values pre-chosen I’m going to try some experiments and see what happens. I expect the first five to all be yesses, and the last five to all be nos.
aig (from big)
52560aa (from 525600)
a0hiskey (from whiskey)
bir (from air)
ww (from waaa)

aaar (from wr)
j0ckdws (from jackdaws)
jaackdaaas (from jackdaws)
j00ckdas (from jackdaws)
ab123456789 (from 0123456789)

Edit: it’s always possible that my thoughts are correct but I made a mistake choosing these patterns, or that they are incorrect and I made such a mistake; if another player thinks that by these rules something I said should be classified other than how I put it please point that out. I put an existing koan or nonkoan which I believe will have the same classification next to each of my proposals, from which that proposal was derived using my thoughts above.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:05 pm
by Lambda
ww is no. The others are as you predicted.
Koans
Yes:

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aaaaaaa (a^7)
aaaaaaaa (a^8)
aaaaaaaaa (a^9)
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love^16
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ria
stone
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the^13
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the^40
the^56
WaTeR
water
water0123456789
waterbottle
whisky
witer
Wizards
zebra
No:

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00
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00000 (0^5)
000000 (0^6)
00000000 (0^8)
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6h
6ire
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l
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my
n
of
quartz
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r
ri
rr
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waterzebra
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:10 pm
by Lambda
("waaa" doesn't seem to have ever been submitted as a guess.) edit: durr i am a stupid >_>

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:20 pm
by DanielH
You gave it as part of the hint, and I miscounted when I used it. I thought it was a yes but it is really a no.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:45 pm
by DanielH
I still dom’t see why the would be so close to a but not quite the same. Maybe capitalization really does matter or something?

the
a²⁴

Also, my best guess for the a pattern is this. It does not fit the²⁴, but The¹ has a different answer than a¹ and the known values for powers of the and a are otherwise identical.

Edit: There are multiple powers of the which my guess doesn’t fit, but that was the only one I remembered for some reason.

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:49 am
by kuuskytkolme
There appears to be something that excludes all one character strings. But just to make sure:

o
p
q
s
t
u
v
w
x
y

Ran out of guesses, can I please have z too?

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:54 am
by Throne3d
z

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:06 am
by kuuskytkolme
<3 thank

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:44 am
by Lambda
w is yes; the others are no.
Koans
Yes:

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ira
love^16
lovelove
lovelovelovelovelove
minutes
Quickly
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rai
rererer
ria
stone
The
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the^07
the^08
the^09
the^11
the^13
the^16
the^40
the^56
w
WaTeR
water
water0123456789
waterbottle
whisky
witer
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zebra
No:

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00
000
00000 (0^5)
000000 (0^6)
00000000 (0^8)
000000000 (0^9)
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1r
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4
5
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5ire
6
6h
6ire
7
8
9
99
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aa
aaaa
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aaaaaaaaaa (a^10)
aaar
ab123456789
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
ar
ater
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bigbigbigbig
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c
d
e
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er
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fi
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firewhisky
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firg
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fr7
freshwater
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h
hotair
i
ii
iter
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j0ckdws
jaackdaaas
jackdaws
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l
love
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m
my
n
o
of
p
q
quartz
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r
ri
rr
s
sphinx
t
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the^04
the^06
the^10
the^12
the^14
the^24
tr
u
v
w
waer
wate
waterzebra
watr
wr
ws
wter
ww
x
xx
xy
y
z

Re: Cooperative Zendo

Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2016 10:22 am
by DanielH
So in very rare cases, case actually matters.