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Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 6:56 pm
by Alicorn
Edward would be a little but not a lot happier if all Bellpartners were one-offs.
Edward/Adarin could work under the right circumstances, we think. Golden would be puzzled, both Edwards would be uneasy.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:20 pm
by Kitty
Some BTVS-themed questions:
Bella and James are Potentials, but who else? (Assuming for a moment that everyone is both a teenage girl and native to the right universe, of course.)
How would the more intensely moral characters act after being turned (since the standard non-ensouled Buffyverse vampire lacks a moral compass)? I'm thinking of Adarin in particular here (and Bella, given a situation where she doesn't get killed so very quickly), but would also like to hear about other characters.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 4:32 pm
by Aestrix
Adarins are terrifying when they've been Buffyverse turned. All morality's gone, their scale's entirely shot to hell and stops being about morality at all and becomes about how much fun they're having. They're excellent liars after turning, understand all of their old self's mannerisms, and have zero issues with pretending to be the old Adarin for long periods of time if it gets them something they want. For example, Cypress, if turned, would pretend to be fine and that his fae blood did something to keep his soul in him properly. And then he would very calmly create a situation where Ice would be near death, offer to turn her, and then do so without issue, because he thinks she'll be more fun if she tells the morality to go bye-bye.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 6:27 pm
by Anya
That... sounds actually really interesting. A soulless Bell and Adarin. It would be terrifying and also really really fun to read.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:20 pm
by DanielH
But, for Cypress in particular, I don’t see that working. I’m assuming daemons would still be a thing, and turning causes visible changes to the daemon (under ordinary circumstances where the soul is affected as usual). I suppose Cypress could use magic to suppress that, though.
How would an Idania react to turning? Would she just stop caring about her inner circle as much and start blowing things up more?
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:38 pm
by Aestrix
Cypress would be very convincing in how it's just a cosmetic change to his daemon, and he's still adjusting, so while he loves Ice he kind of needs some space for her to not touch Vern so he can handle it. I foresee him making something up about having less morals now, but he's drawing on how he loves her and his own memories to compensate and it's doing all right. But he could also use magic to suppress it, the key to that is managing it before Ice sees.
Idania would only care about herself, and have no desire to be friendly with people. She might, certainly, I foresee Idania turning out the best of most of my characters upon being Buffyverse vamped. Like, she'd be fine with murder, but she wouldn't see the point to pointless large-scale destruction (Except for the pretty fireworks) and could be convinced to cooperate with people of her own free will. But yeah, inner circle gets burned, and Idania's priority becomes learning things. Similar to Addy in a lot of ways, but not quite.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:34 pm
by DanielH
Oooh. That reminds me: Addy would remain mostly unchanged, right?
I have become curious about practically every template (at least the non-part-Joker ones, because the Jokers simply not changing isn’t much of a reaction). I am especially curious about Chelseas; I summarize them in my mind as the line from Radiance, “Everyone must love me.” (with the scope of “everyone” approximately proportional to the strength of any power that could create that effect), but that doesn’t quite seem to be a value compatible with Sunny vampirism. I am unsure what would replace it, though.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:05 am
by Alicorn
Addy starts out with basically no moral compass of her own but lots of ability to model people as having moral compasses, which might be very damaged and reduce her passability as a nonsociopath. (This would actually really bother her: precious precious mimicry, shot to hell!)
Chelseas under normal circumstances can care a lot about the well-being of their favorite beloved people but have really fucked-up definitions of well-being (and in some but not all cases have no issue with using their powers on non-favorite people and discarding them when it's convenient). Soulless Chelseas still want affection and company but become even less picky about how they get it and what happens to the people they get it from. I can't think of any obvious cases where this makes a measurable difference to their behavior but it changes their internal moving parts quite a bit.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:35 am
by Bluelantern
How about the sunshine-pire version of the other Swans? Anything special about them or they are just vanilla-flavor sociopaths?
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:59 am
by Alicorn
Alexes would change surprisingly little (they don't have that much native conscience, really, that gets outsourced to Shoulder Bella; they would stop consulting Shoulder Bella) and would be on board with the eating people whimsical destruction thing and wouldn't have the drive to try to destroy the world or anything. I think it would be really hard to get even a sunnypired Alex to kill his or her own Bell, even if the Bell was trying to kill the Alex; Alexes are of the non-ethically-grounded opinion that their Bells ought to exist. They'd try to avoid being Slain but kind of "wait why are we doing this we're like twins and stuff"-ly.
A Sophpire would be sorrrrt of like a smarter Harmony. Bubbly and interested in acquiring people and things that catch her attention, also totally down with the eating people thing but not casually destructive - she might take up nonfatal biting, mostly out of what you might call convenience (who wants to take their life into their hands every time they need lunch?) and due to this might be able to coexist with her Bell, although it would tank their sisterhood-per-se and there would be no "but we're sisters" lingering thoughts on Soph's end.