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Hmm, I got the impression that the roleplay was more along the lines of knowing what wishcoins are, but being denied access and because of that being sarcastic/snide at the mention of them (oh wishcoins? Well I wouldn't know what they are, would I?) Which made me think Addy, which would make for an interesting power - along the lines of copy a chosen persons powerset (without knowing what it is if anything) for a given night or maybe figure out a chosen persons powerset.

Then again, maybe I'm completely off the mark here, but even if that wasn't what demo was trying to do, the more I think about it an Addy template would be an interesting addition.

Re: lynch/no-lynch
Honestly, there are few cases were no-lynch would be the way to go. The only possibility when it seems definitely better to wait (only if just the 1 person can die per night of course) if there are 4 people left, one killer and they are trying to decide who to lynch. If you get it wrong, that's it, game over. It's the same argument as has been made for not lynching on the first night (even no. of players). There can be an argument made that with 4 people there is one more civilian the killer needs to convince to vote wrongly, but honestly, I've always gone for the 3 people end vs 4 people and trying to figure all the little psychological hangups of why I might have been wrong or right or whatever is just headache inducing and twisty.

And now that I'm back from that as of yet mostly irrelevant detour, personally I don't have a good in-game reason to not lynch anyone on the first night. Out of game the reason is that in spite of the stated goal of the game (basically have the group any player belongs to survive till the end), my goal is to have fun, and a general bonus is if everyone else is having fun as well* and I've been the first to be lynched enough times to know that it sucks. And I've only ever played RL games, where in 0,5/1 hour I got to play again - this game is going to take days, so it would really be far more unpleasant to not get to do anything in this case. On the other hand I'm now starting to realize that because of the longer playing format we do get more of a chance to participate even on the first day. Ack, now I'm getting confused. Unless I'm mistaken, we still have more than 24h left, and right now I'm kind of in a hurry, so for now I'm sticking with play out the day in full without lynching anyone plan.

I also have hangups about accusing people without any real evidence (yes, I do know how this game works, but seeing innocent people framed is one of the things that never fails to infuriate me in any media**). Also the version of the game I've mostly played gave reason for the killers to move a bit more than they'd likely prefer on the first night, which meant that the first lynchings were based on who heard who move, and afterwards, quite apart from what anyone said, there was always how they said it or how suspicious they looked... I guess what I'm saying is I'm not used to this format just yet.. and I'm about to be late to meet a friend, so sorry, no time to shorten this wall of text/make it more comprehensive, k, bye, see you later.

Arghh, new topics while I was writing I'm gonna be so late...
Re: role reveal
Yeah... I don't have any clever strategy to play well, anyone, by lying about what I am and it has been pointed out that I might be helping the killers by revealing the truth (whatever it is), so I think I'll hold off for now.

Arghhx2 not immediately relevant question to the Gods(and pretty much just answered!):
so if/when I get killed I'm not allowed to post even a sort of 'last hurrah' that doesn't actually reveal anything? E.g.: NOOOOO!!! or HAHAHAHA!!! or You'll be sorry one day! or something along those lines?


Blearghhx3
Re: coded role reveal
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Everyone should post encrypted

You're right, I'll do that when I get back, kbye, dghytjuesšds!!!

*Any trolling tendencies I might have just aren't big enough that it would be fun to be the onlyperson who is, well, having fun.
**Main reason why I never fully warmed up to Root in POI.

DanielH wrote:* A game-related lie, and not just revealing further information. If Shoal says something indicating they are not actually a school of fish, then that does’t count because it’s just roleplaying. If somebody says they have private information when previously they said we know nothing, that doesn’t count because they were simply declining to reveal information and the public knew nothing. If somebody says they are a townie and then says they are a Tony, that does count unless Tonies have no powers whatsoever. Obviously borderline cases exist; we can discuss them when they come up

I agree with this.

I think there are enough minor characters in Effulgence that there could probably be quite a few different templates who are generic no powers townies. Janine, Soph, Rene, Ivan. Maybe they have slightly different win conditions.

Alright, I'm up for the encrypted template-posting. It's a pretty nice solution to role-revealing in a way more likely to actually catch people in lies. At least, assuming that there aren't duplicate roles, which we don't know one way or the other, although I'm leaning towards probably-not.

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-----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY-----
MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQCvyHUBWX+uuOR3nAfBB2hlGGa+
qNkR6HdvG+Q4SzO52ZM5za8j0QjNc2C/ZwrZF2oxi3fWsDEKsteDrs2FgbYz9+0W
pP1E03kFMtN5kgHxaZWPtS7o78vH1zJkViuIeS13qbe3bhi3okFLKrNTk8yyQ740
P3hggklj1/WenODk3QIDAQAB
-----END PUBLIC KEY-----

The games are usually balanced so that roleclaiming the first day is not advisable. That said, the crypto thing seems interesting. I think we shouldn't publish our private keys yet, only to verify if someone claims. That way in case the killers have incriminating templates they have to commit to a pseudonym now. Better yet, people should post their roles encrypted, that way we can make fake claiming harder. Of course these are decrypted only when a "normal" claim has been made

Also sometimes fake names are given to the killers by the DM, just so this isn't a viable strategy.

Anyway, my template:

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-----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY-----
MIGfMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GNADCBiQKBgQCkqKrneCS8L6hOAWLWhPRycqab
lvj8t6T9fDmjm4cU1hClqj4RGJbeNw1zLykZUmMAq+EMKwdQIxy2dsiP5fblMCFV
HbiKB2Yx1l+/jCNYfASlSMj2/tEGhhJpvxNkcVLsJ7eMqy9RcYZ7T3VThiFTJeqV
M8ymAMLLF11eQ10mKwIDAQAB
-----END PUBLIC KEY-----

Aestrix wrote:I apologize, it was early and I have the habit of working too hard to broadcast my feelings, because I have a problem where if I don't do that I fail to broadcast them at all.

I understand, It's just my pet-peeve.

If we assume that we have one day when we don't "need" to lynch someone, I'd much prefer if we used it on a day when there are much less players than now. But I'm like 99% sure we have healers and/or townie or neutral killers, so 2 dead/night-day-cycle is not certain.

I’m also not convinced actual claiming is a good idea now, but the cryptography probably is.

How to use the RSA thing that modrony linked to for encrypting:

1. (Optional) Change the key size drop down. Larger numbers are more secure but take longer to work with. Since we are not a high-value target and the encryption only needs to last about a month, any option should be fine. If you do change this box, you need to click the Generate New Keys button.
2. IMPORTANT: Copy the contents of the private key textbox. Store it somewhere that nobody else playing will look at it. If you lose it, the rest of us will be incredibly suspicious.
3. Enter whatever text you want in the Text to encrypt box. Preferably, for this case, it should be your role information (or at least what you want people to think your role is), but you can also put anything else (like your shopping list). Apparently if what you enter is too big, the encryption won’t work. You can fix this by either upping the key size or cutting down your message length. I needed to do both because I’m very verbose.
4. Click the Encrypt/Decrypt button. The text you entered should vanish and the other textbox should contain some Base64 junk.
5. Copy the Encrypted contents and the public key to this thread. Nobody will be able to read what you wrote until/unless you share the private key, they devote a century of computer time to it, they have magical powers, or they know a weakness in the algorithm. If it’s the latter, they probably will decline to use it in this case because it’s probably a state secret, unless the specific implementation is bad.

Decrypting is similar: you copy the provided private key into the private key box, the provided ciphertext into the Encrypted box, and hit decrypt. This will not recalculate the public key to verify that the provided public key matches the private key, but I think that doesn’t matter.

And, putting action to words:

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-----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY-----
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+yAxoOlr3JQ39yohCeciJ8u3mVabHZ5VxRZm0JiGyDnXAAro7AVRRg4/WeQPRvSi
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gL6OrF8g21e5bktRN4+U8emye4MWCe8z0VcuLYklWIedBHduKeoxSB0xHMsbXTxD
AgMBAAE=
-----END PUBLIC KEY-----

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I encrypted it and then decrypted it to check that it worked and reencrypted it and the second time was different than the first time but maybe it will still work.


I think we shouldn't write our secret powers in here because what if we want to play again later? it's okay if after the game we know what templates there were but i think knowing what secret powers exist is probably a secret for a reason. though some are probably easy enough to guess (for example I am going to go out on a limb and suggest that Charlie is a cop)

edit: to be more precise, i mean "if there is a charlie and if there is a cop then charlie is a cop"

Thank you Daniel. I agree, actual claiming's a bad idea, but this is fine. As such:

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-----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY-----
MIGeMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4GMADCBiAKBgFN0k8pwnWfJ2I8CKrxRF/JuUqjr
BnVwSxodkDVrn4oZ8sbN6fdYoZ5plOtd7OHWRiCsVzngTIlVTyxDFTn6Yl8zejxt
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IngA5QKLPWvQzJK1AgMBAAE=
-----END PUBLIC KEY-----

I think that we are going to need to claim powers at some point anyway; the surprise is only going to last for the first game. If I’m not an ordinary townie, then I already put powers in my encrypted message; I can make a new one without powers if everybody agrees with Shoal, though.

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Alright, if we're not going to put our powers in, it'll probably strain my terrible laptop less. I'd prefer that we put the powers in the encryption, though, but that'd require the max setting on the online generator for some reason.

Edited to remove the public key.