Effulgence Mafia Game Thread

[DanielH]

Summary of roleclaims and encrypted messages from day 8.

This post will be updated throughout day 8. After that it will be mostly stable, but will still be updated with links to other indices when appropriate.

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Public roleclaims

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1. jalapeno_dude, as Matilda
2. Paradox, as Miles

Encrypted messages

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None so far today

All revelations so far

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• RSA Private Key keys/Alphabeta/response-9239.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Alphabeta/response-9076.enc:

    The killers could conspicuously not target her to drive us into wasting our second turn.
• RSA Private Key keys/Alphabeta/role-etc-9516.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Alphabeta/noise-9037.enc:

    This is a test!

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Alphabeta/noise-9072.enc:

    I will use a separate private key to encrypt data about other peoples' powers. Possibly one for each.

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Alphabeta/power-9086.enc:

    I copy powers, obviously.

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Alphabeta/role-9004.enc:

    I am Addy.
• RSA Private Key keys/Alphabeta/Shoal-night1-info-9740.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Shoal/night1-info-9219.enc:

    I made a new friend! And banana bread!

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/Shoal/night1-info-9219.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/BlueSkySprite/defense-9093.priv:
• RSA Private Key keys/DanielH/example-9175.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/DanielH/example-9175.enc:

    This is an example of encryption storage.

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/DanielH/example-9175.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/DanielH/role-9636.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/DanielH/role-9000.enc:

    I’m Eights. My “guess” here correct but incomplete. Once a night, I can substitute for anything negative happening to a single person, not just dying.

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/DanielH/role-9000.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/DanielH/template-9636.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/DanielH/template-9080.enc:

    I am Eights.

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/DanielH/template-9080.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/jalapeno_dude/night2-10218.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/jalapeno_dude/night2-plans-9380.enc:

    I am going to prevent alphabeta from acting, because I am suspicious of his suspicion of DanielH.
• RSA Private Key keys/jalapeno_dude/role-10215.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/jalapeno_dude/role-9043.enc:

    I am *Matilda*.
• RSA Private Key keys/kuuskytkolme/roleclaim-9960.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/kuuskytkolme/template-8999.enc:

    Tony Stark

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/kuuskytkolme/template-8999.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/no.head.chicken/night-actions-10045.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night1-info-9249.enc:

    Slept like a baby (fitfully and restlessly)

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night1-plans-9185.enc:

    Vote for mayor!!

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night2-info-9400.enc:

    Stuff, I guess...

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night2-plans-9358.enc:

    Play some Rocksmith 2014!

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night3-info-9505.enc:

    But I can't keep my eyelids shut

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night3-plans-9458.enc:

    Sometimes I feel like I'll never fall asleep~

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/night4-plans-9610.enc:

    Blergh or something...
• RSA Private Key keys/no.head.chicken/powerclaim-10045.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/powers-9125.enc:

    Absolutely none! (AFAIK)
• RSA Private Key keys/no.head.chicken/roleclaim-10045.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/no.head.chicken/template-9040.enc:

    Jessica, civilian
• RSA Private Key keys/Paradox/double-voter-speculation-9871.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Paradox/noise-or-something-9402.enc:

    Alphabeta is a doublevoter based on alicorns vote tally. I will be suspicious if the mafia don't kill him. It's important to kill him if he's mafia because the wiki says that mafia doublevoters are very powerful for mafia in endgame.

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/Paradox/noise-or-something-9402.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/Paradox/role-10252.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Paradox/role-9009.enc:

    Miles

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/Paradox/role-9009.pub
• RSA Private Key keys/Shoal/role-9619.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Shoal/role-9001.enc:

    I am ALEX and I was thinking of myself as a boy Alex but not Aleko but we don't have one of those yet.
• RSA Private Key keys/Shoal/test-9156.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Shoal/test-9156.enc:

    This is a test!
• RSA Private Key keys/tau/some-night-10111.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/tau/night2-info-9409.enc:

    Nothing, because I have no powers.
• RSA Private Key keys/tau/template-10109.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/tau/template-9221.enc:

    I'm a regular townie, my template is Soph.
• RSA Private Key keys/Thatwasademo/roleclaim-10029.priv:
  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Thatwasademo/night1-info-9233.enc:

    Apparently I have amused the moderator. I'll consider that a success.

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Thatwasademo/night1-plans-9190.enc:

    I'm targeting DanielH tonight. As per my roleclaim, I don't know what (if anything) this will do.

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Thatwasademo/night2-info-9447.enc:

    nothing doing

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Thatwasademo/nigt2-plans-9378.enc:

    Aestrix?

  • Decoded RSA Message messages/Thatwasademo/role-9045.enc:

    I am Ivan Vorkosigan, and I have no idea what my powers are.

  • Matches RSA Public Key messages/Thatwasademo/role-9045.pub
• PGP Private Key keys/DanielH/night-plans-9727.pgppriv:
  Not using a passphrase
  • Decoded PGP Message messages/DanielH/night1-plans-9199.pgp:

    Target BlueSkySprite if she’s not lynched, because she might be a target for the killers; target nobody otherwise because I want more information before risking myself.

  • Decoded PGP Message messages/DanielH/night2-plans-9337.pgp:

    I plan to protect no.head.chicken.

  • Decoded PGP Message messages/DanielH/night3-plans-9473.pgp:

    Now that Ozy has said they’re Town and actually stated their role, I’m going to protect them.

  • Decoded PGP Message messages/DanielH/night4-plans-9621.pgp:

    Target Alphabeta.
    
    This should be obvious, but all of these plans are subject to change if something strange happens. I’d expect many people didn’t follow through on their night plans after michaelblume didn’t die.

  Cannot verify if PGP private key matches any given PGP public key at this time because GPG and BCGP generate different pubkeys

[DanielH]

Also, this is the first time I’ve done this since I died since it’s the first time nobody beat me to it; the others are still in my “all revelations so far” files:

I confirm Paradox’s private key does what he said.

Revelations from private key

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[*] RSA Private Key keys/Paradox/role-10252.priv:

• Decoded RSA Message messages/Paradox/role-9009.enc:

  Miles

• Matches RSA Public Key messages/Paradox/role-9009.pub

[pistachi0n]

The one thing that makes me suspicious about jalapeno_dude is his roleblocking of Alphabeta on Night 2. From my understanding, Alphabeta got a double vote for a day by targeting BlueSkySprite on Night1, then targeted michaelblume on night 2 and used those powers to protect him from being killed the next day, and targeted DanielH on Nights 3 and 4 which gave him access to the Chelsea coordination channel.

Possible explanations: jalapeno_dude was lying, Alphabeta is resistant to roleblocking, there's another roleblocker in play, or ????? other suggestions/speculation wanted.

This is further complicated because Alphabeta is dead and can't give us information that might be relevant.

[anthusiasm]

@Paradox I am having trouble reconstructing my reasoning (possibly due to lack of sleep). I'm going to unvote Paradox for now and get back to you when I am more coherent and can remember what my argument was.

I agree with your arguments wrt jalapeño_dude. I think it's suspicious that he didn't have crypto for most of his night actions.

[Shoal]

I will also unvote paradox for now. With the way jalapeno's power works, he should have either saved modrony or prevented alphabeta from chelseaing daniel. he could have levitated modrony too high for the killers to reach him or levitated alphabeta too high to touch daniel.

unvote paradox

also i have a headcold and it is late and i am mostly unable to think. i intend to vote for jalapeno_dude in the morning.

[jalapeno_dude]

Okay, lots of things to respond to. I think the general theme here is that people are fundamentally overestimating how much I know about my power.

The mafiascum wiki specifically lists the reason for having a pro-town roleblocker as being to stop the night kill and he's saying he doesn't even know if he can do that, really?

Really. The description of my power was not given as a reference to the mafiascum wiki. I did not even know there was a thing called roleblocker independent of this game until people starting using the term. As I said, I have only played in-person games of Mafia before, and they've never had anything more complicated than Mafia + Investigator. Like I said when I roleclaimed, I can target someone once per night and prevent their nighttime actions. (This is a paraphrase, because when I quoted the text in the PM I got Alicorn got mad.) I didn't think I could stop the night kill because in in-person games I've played there was no explicit assignment of the kill to a particular mafia member. If people are right that there is one here, then maybe I can actually stop it.

The one thing that makes me suspicious about jalapeno_dude is his roleblocking of Alphabeta on Night 2. From my understanding, Alphabeta got a double vote for a day by targeting BlueSkySprite on Night1, then targeted michaelblume on night 2 and used those powers to protect him from being killed the next day, and targeted DanielH on Nights 3 and 4 which gave him access to the Chelsea coordination channel.

Possible explanations: jalapeno_dude was lying, Alphabeta is resistant to roleblocking, there's another roleblocker in play, or ????? other suggestions/speculation wanted.

This is further complicated because Alphabeta is dead and can't give us information that might be relevant.

I agree this is a little weird, but I just double-checked the PM I sent and I definitely attempted to roleblock Alphabeta then. (This is also what my crypto for that day says.) So either my roleblock failed for some reason (and I wouldn't get any feedback either way), or Alphabeta already had Chris powers (from Night 1? Do we know BlueSkySprite was targeted then), or he was lying about saving michaelblume on Day 3. I really wish alphabeta had told us all of his nighttime actions.

I think it's suspicious that he didn't have crypto for most of his night actions.

I guess so. Frankly, I was lazy. I honestly don't value living in this game enough to waste my time on encrypting things. Most people seem to feel this way, judging by the fact that the amount of crypto has dropped off almost to nothing lately.

I will also unvote paradox for now. With the way jalapeno's power works, he should have either saved modrony or prevented alphabeta from chelseaing daniel. he could have levitated modrony too high for the killers to reach him or levitated alphabeta too high to touch daniel.

...this makes no sense. I am a Matilda, not a Chris. Targeting modrony on night 1 prevented him from taking nighttime actions, it didn't protect him. Targeting alphabeta on night 2 should indeed have prevented him from doing things (which is why pistachi0n is confused) but DanielH was Chelsea, not alphabeta, so I have no clue what you mean when you say it would prevent him from chelseaing Daniel.

[Thatwasademo]

People are not only overestimating how much you know about your power, they're saying things that are probably just plain incorrect. That's terrible.

Also, Paradox isn't acting much like a Miles (Wouldn't it be great if detecting that were my power? Alas, it is not.) and I would have thought Miles would be a power role (the actual important fact here, that first point is completely meaningless), so I'm going to Vote: Paradox.

[Shoal]

I will also unvote paradox for now. With the way jalapeno's power works, he should have either saved modrony or prevented alphabeta from chelseaing daniel. he could have levitated modrony too high for the killers to reach him or levitated alphabeta too high to touch daniel.

...this makes no sense. I am a Matilda, not a Chris. Targeting modrony on night 1 prevented him from taking nighttime actions, it didn't protect him. Targeting alphabeta on night 2 should indeed have prevented him from doing things (which is why pistachi0n is confused) but DanielH was Chelsea, not alphabeta, so I have no clue what you mean when you say it would prevent him from chelseaing Daniel.

Alpha used his power to touch Daniel to see what kind of power Daniel had (night 3?). He then used Daniel's power to Chelsea him that same night. The very next night (night 4?), he used Daniel's power on him again to gain access to our private channel. The very next day (day 5 I think), he announced publically that Daniel was chelsea.

so if you were using your power on alpha on night 3 or 4, some of those actions probably should have failed. and they didn't.


there is another type of role called a jailkeeper which both prevents people from taking night actions and also prevents other people's night actions from targetting that person. if we were mistaken about how your role works, and you worked like a jailkeeper instead, then saving modrony would have been possible. i agree that this is probably not how it works, that you are not a jailkeeper.

it does remain possible that your role only superficially seems to resemble the roleblocker from the wiki and actually does something else, like a roleblocker that only works on certain types of things. i have no idea how much research Alicorn did into complicated types of mafia roles that other people have already thought of and how much she invented by herself.


I am going to continue to not vote until I am awake and able to think clearly.

[jalapeno_dude]

Alpha used his power to touch Daniel to see what kind of power Daniel had (night 3?). He then used Daniel's power to Chelsea him that same night. The very next night (night 4?), he used Daniel's power on him again to gain access to our private channel. The very next day (day 5 I think), he announced publically that Daniel was chelsea.

so if you were using your power on alpha on night 3 or 4, some of those actions probably should have failed. and they didn't.

...but I wasn't. Yesterday I posted the schedule of how I used my powers, here. I roleblocked (or at least attempted to roleblock) DanielH on night 3 (we know this one worked) and ozymandias on night 4 (as far as I know this did nothing).

@Thatwasademo: yeah, I also would've thought Miles would be a power role.

[Shoal]

Alpha used his power to touch Daniel to see what kind of power Daniel had (night 3?). He then used Daniel's power to Chelsea him that same night. The very next night (night 4?), he used Daniel's power on him again to gain access to our private channel. The very next day (day 5 I think), he announced publically that Daniel was chelsea.

so if you were using your power on alpha on night 3 or 4, some of those actions probably should have failed. and they didn't.

...but I wasn't. Yesterday I posted the schedule of how I used my powers, here. I roleblocked (or at least attempted to roleblock) DanielH on night 3 (we know this one worked) and ozymandias on night 4 (as far as I know this did nothing).

@Thatwasademo: yeah, I also would've thought Miles would be a power role.

right, sorry. that's why i included the dates, so somebody could check where i was going wrong.

more explaining my thinking. my thinking is pretty muddled in general so try not to be convinced by it. im mostly interested in showing where im coming from right now

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also, daniel didn't get a fake rolepm for eights. all he was told was that eights didn't exist in the game and that he was the only one being given that information. so if you were faking being matilda, you would have to be fake quoting - which you could have claimed as paraphrasing - and then Alicorn wouldn't have dinged you (I assume it was you that was dinged by the timing of your post and also the content, even though i did not see the deleted post nor who made it), because I think she would have also dinged you if you had quoted it while claiming the quotation was paraphrased? maybe?

daniel had to try to pretend to protect people during night but he couldn't protect any obvious choices because he would have had to explain later while he didn't succeed, so all his cryptoed stuff was about that. you are also in the position of having to explain why you didn't succeed, and just once guessing wrong and claiming to be going to protect someone who wasn't protected would have ruined all his crypto. your position is different because the claimed power is different and we can't so easily inspect whether it succeeded or not, but pistachi0n didn't get access to the secret channel, and it probably was because of you because nobody else is stepping up to claim it was because of them. of the templates that have died since then, i'm only remembering libby (and alpha but if it was alpha then alpha should have said, and i dont think it was alpha), and i wouldnt have expected libby to be a roleblocker.

I also predicted Miles would have powers, some kind of plot armor or something.


I am currently intending to vote paradox again tomorrow. maybe.


I can't get the spoiler box to work but i wanted to mostly hide this in case my muddled thinking is contagious. i want people to be able to see what i'm thinking so they know where i stand, but i don't want to muddle anybody else up.