I’ll get a list of all the koans and their answers up in less than half an hour. Would you like it sorted alphabetically, or not?
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:16 am
by DanielH
Okay, so it was twice my original estimate, but:
Koans
Yes:
lorica
lOrica
lorIca
loriCa
loricA
LORICA
lyric
a
No:
Lorica
loRica
LOrica
LoricA
If somebody wants sorted, that should be easy to do too, but for now I doubt it matters.
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:31 am
by Moriwen
"A"
"l"; "L"
"o"; "O"
"r"; "R"
"acirol"; "orica"; "lrica"
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:42 am
by DanielH
Yes
No, no
Yes, yes
No, no
No, no, yes
And here is that sorted version. It goes in alphabetical order, with ties being lowercase first. I intend to make this the default but I still have the list in standard submission order if for some reason people want the unsorted version.
Koans
Yes:
a
A
lorica
loricA
loriCa
lorIca
lOrica
LORICA
lrica
lyric
o
O
No:
acirol
l
L
loRica
Lorica
LoricA
LOrica
orica
r
R
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 12:43 pm
by Moriwen
Thoughts
Some letters, and their successes:
a: both cases; "lorica" with both cases
o: both cases; "lorica" with both cases
l: neither case; "lorica" with lower- but not upper-case
r: neither case; "lorica" with lower- but not upper-case.
This suggests that there are "good" and "bad" letters, where "good" letters succeed alone in both cases, "bad" letters fail alone in both cases, and having an upper-case "bad" letter as part of a word can make it fail. Obviously it's something more complicated than this, though, especially since "LORICA" is a yes. Still, I want to see if the good/bad division persists with other features.
Letter order matters ("lorica" yes, "acirol" no). All-lower-case can succeed or fail.
(Daniel, can you distinguish lower-case-L and upper-case-i sufficiently well, or would it be helpful for us to mention which we're using?)
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 2:09 pm
by DanielH
The first two rows are all yesses.
The second row is all nos.
The third row is a yes then a no.
I copy it to a font that can distinguish them. I’ve added the [code] tags to the spoilerbox so it’s easier to tell there. I can also sometimes tell from context, but I won’t trust that.
acirol
CORSICA
l
L
llorica
loRica
lORICA
Lorica
LoricA
LOrica
lorical
orica
r
R
Re: Cooperative Zendo
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:29 pm
by Moriwen
more thoughts
We've now seen "all upper-case" and "all lower-case" both as yesses and nos.
The good letter/bad letter dichotomy continues to hold.
"Good" letters (a, o) seem to be yes in the following formats: o, O, olorica, loricao, lrica, LoRICA, lOrica
"Bad" letters (l, r) seem to be yes only in "lorica" and not any of the variants.
(Variants tested: letter on its own, upper- and lower-case; "lorica" with just the letter capitalized, or "LORICA" with just the letter uncapitalized; "lorica" with the letter pre- or post-pended, "lorica" with the letter removed.)
Possibly the good/bad divide is vowel/consonant? Or odd-numbered/even-numbered? Either is consistent with (a, o)/(l, r).
I'm throwing in a couple of real words (with high letter-overlap with "lorica") each time, to try to force some variety among koans. Hopefully this helps avoid the failure mode where I box myself in with incorrect theories and so fail to test whole regions of space that might have been helpful.
Repeated yes, repeated no, yes
Yes
Yes, yes
Yes, no
Yes, yes
I will take a few hours off of classifying now unless other people start proposing koans, in case the lack of other people is caused more by schedule than lack of interest.
a
A
aa
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
acidic
c
caloric
color
i
I
lloorriiccaa
lorica
loricA
loriCa
lorIca
lOrica
LoRICA
LORICA
loricalorica
loricao
lrica
lyric
o
O
olorica