Cooperative Zendo

[Moriwen]

lOrica
loRica
lorIca
loriCa
loricA

LORICA
LOrica
LoricA

lyric
a

[DanielH]

Yes, no yes, yes, yes
Yes, no, no
yes, yes

I’ll get a list of all the koans and their answers up in less than half an hour. Would you like it sorted alphabetically, or not?

[DanielH]

Okay, so it was twice my original estimate, but:

Koans

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Yes:
lorica
lOrica
lorIca
loriCa
loricA
LORICA
lyric
a

No:
Lorica
loRica
LOrica
LoricA

If somebody wants sorted, that should be easy to do too, but for now I doubt it matters.

[Moriwen]

"A"

"l"; "L"

"o"; "O"

"r"; "R"

"acirol"; "orica"; "lrica"

[DanielH]

Yes
No, no
Yes, yes
No, no
No, no, yes

And here is that sorted version. It goes in alphabetical order, with ties being lowercase first. I intend to make this the default but I still have the list in standard submission order if for some reason people want the unsorted version.

Koans

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Yes:
a
A
lorica
loricA
loriCa
lorIca
lOrica
LORICA
lrica
lyric
o
O

No:
acirol
l
L
loRica
Lorica
LoricA
LOrica
orica
r
R

[Moriwen]

Thoughts

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Some letters, and their successes:
a: both cases; "lorica" with both cases
o: both cases; "lorica" with both cases
l: neither case; "lorica" with lower- but not upper-case
r: neither case; "lorica" with lower- but not upper-case.

This suggests that there are "good" and "bad" letters, where "good" letters succeed alone in both cases, "bad" letters fail alone in both cases, and having an upper-case "bad" letter as part of a word can make it fail. Obviously it's something more complicated than this, though, especially since "LORICA" is a yes. Still, I want to see if the good/bad division persists with other features.

Letter order matters ("lorica" yes, "acirol" no). All-lower-case can succeed or fail.

"i"; "I"
"loricao"; "olorica"; "LoRICA"
"lorical"; "llorica"; "lORICA"
"color"; "CORSICA"

(Daniel, can you distinguish lower-case-L and upper-case-i sufficiently well, or would it be helpful for us to mention which we're using?)

[DanielH]

The first two rows are all yesses.
The second row is all nos.
The third row is a yes then a no.

I copy it to a font that can distinguish them. I’ve added the [code] tags to the spoilerbox so it’s easier to tell there. I can also sometimes tell from context, but I won’t trust that.

Koans

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Yes:

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a
A
color
i
I
lorica
loricA
loriCa
lorIca
lOrica
LoRICA
LORICA
loricao
lrica
lyric
o
O
olorica

No:

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acirol
CORSICA
l
L
llorica
loRica
lORICA
Lorica
LoricA
LOrica
lorical
orica
r
R

[Moriwen]

more thoughts

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We've now seen "all upper-case" and "all lower-case" both as yesses and nos.

The good letter/bad letter dichotomy continues to hold.
"Good" letters (a, o) seem to be yes in the following formats: o, O, olorica, loricao, lrica, LoRICA, lOrica
"Bad" letters (l, r) seem to be yes only in "lorica" and not any of the variants.
(Variants tested: letter on its own, upper- and lower-case; "lorica" with just the letter capitalized, or "LORICA" with just the letter uncapitalized; "lorica" with the letter pre- or post-pended, "lorica" with the letter removed.)

Possibly the good/bad divide is vowel/consonant? Or odd-numbered/even-numbered? Either is consistent with (a, o)/(l, r).

I'm throwing in a couple of real words (with high letter-overlap with "lorica") each time, to try to force some variety among koans. Hopefully this helps avoid the failure mode where I box myself in with incorrect theories and so fail to test whole regions of space that might have been helpful.

"i"; "r"; "c"
"abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
"loricalorica"; "lloorriiccaa"
"aa"; "ll"
"caloric"; "acidic"

[DanielH]

Repeated yes, repeated no, yes
Yes
Yes, yes
Yes, no
Yes, yes

I will take a few hours off of classifying now unless other people start proposing koans, in case the lack of other people is caused more by schedule than lack of interest.

Koans

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Yes:

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a
A
aa
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
acidic
c
caloric
color
i
I
lloorriiccaa
lorica
loricA
loriCa
lorIca
lOrica
LoRICA
LORICA
loricalorica
loricao
lrica
lyric
o
O
olorica

No:

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acirol
CORSICA
l
L
ll
llorica
loRica
lORICA
Lorica
LoricA
LOrica
lorical
orica
r
R

[Moriwen]

(Assuming it is now OK to guess again. :P Feel free to tell me to give it a rest any time!)

"C"
"AA", "LL"
"aaa", "lll"
"caLoric", "cAloric"
"aloric", "calori", "icalor"