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Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:30 pm
by Alicorn
In the story, no, the character traits accrete around the plot role.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:49 pm
by Bluelantern
Alicorn wrote:In the story, no, the character traits accrete around the plot role.
I was thinking that "metacausality" would be the reason for redmage!chelsea
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:52 pm
by Alphabeta
Bluelantern wrote:Alicorn wrote:In the story, no, the character traits accrete around the plot role.
I was thinking that "metacausality" would be the reason for redmage!chelsea
Well, metacausality is just Glass' understanding of the will of the relevant authors. Alicorn might want to stick her with a different color than red if it happens at all.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:10 pm
by Alicorn
What I mean is, Chelseas tend to acquire their powers in universes where you get powers-that-suit (e.g. Aurum, Gift) or in places where they can choose their own powers (e.g. some forthcoming 'verses). Neither condition holds in Goldmage's system. I might make a Chelsea a redmage if that made for a more interesting story, but none of the characters actually in the novel Goldmage are obeying template attractors because they aren't templates.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:51 am
by Bluelantern
Alicorn wrote:What I mean is, Chelseas tend to acquire their powers in universes where you get powers-that-suit (e.g. Aurum, Gift) or in places where they can choose their own powers (e.g. some forthcoming 'verses). Neither condition holds in Goldmage's system. I might make a Chelsea a redmage if that made for a more interesting story, but none of the characters actually in the novel Goldmage are obeying template attractors because they aren't templates.
How do you explain Aegis?
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:11 am
by Alicorn
...What do you mean, how do I explain Aegis?
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 12:32 pm
by Tamien
My guess is: Aegis comes from a world in which you neither choose your power nor get powers-that-suit, so how come she has the standard Bell mental opacity?
My guess at the answer is that Bells have different power-related template attractors than Chelseas such that they will always get mental opacity if it's an option, whereas Chelseas will only get relationship-meddling if either they get a power-that-suits or they get to choose.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:45 pm
by Alicorn
I said "tend"; not all Chelseas have the magic for this reason. And there's no rule that the Bell power attractor and the Chelsea power attractor have to behave the same way anyhow.
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:09 pm
by Bluelantern
Tamien wrote:My guess is: Aegis comes from a world in which you neither choose your power nor get powers-that-suit, so how come she has the standard Bell mental opacity?
My guess at the answer is that Bells have different power-related template attractors than Chelseas such that they will always get mental opacity if it's an option, whereas Chelseas will only get relationship-meddling if either they get a power-that-suits or they get to choose.
That was more or less it.
Mycroft Holmes is a possible candidate for templatehood?
And how much dors Sherlock takes from the RDJ movies?
Re: mapping out characters
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:23 pm
by Kappa
The Sherlock template has its origins in the RDJ movies, in a sense, and draws some properties therefrom - the most obvious one that comes to mind is the "analytical violence" phenomenon.