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Shoal · Post by **Shoal** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:09 pm

I had to answer modrony's theory question honestly but I kept back a couple important things. :)

Paradox should protect modrony. modrony should target modrony's null reads. we should kill paradox. then we can kill modrony.

if paradox instead protects at random then we should kill modrony. small chance it doesn't go through but big payout if it does. then we can kill paradox.

we can vote throughout the day how we please but there is going to be a mad scramble at the end so we all need to be awake and on target and ready because the only scenario in which mafia is lynched today is a scenario in which all remaining townies are voting one of us. if any single one of them are voting a townie at the end of the day we can pile on for game over mafia win. if two of them are voting a townie then less of can pile on to hold some reserves back. it'll probably be a mad jumble again.

Shoal · Post by **Shoal** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:10 pm

oh wait forgot the demon. if the demon's still around the game won't be called. but we'll still control the lynches once we outnumber the town so it'll be okay.

Shoal · Post by **Shoal** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:15 pm

bits i left back from my LYLO speech:

If everyone in the town is willing to vote for one person in LYLO you have to ask yourself why that is. Because the mafia want to end this toDay. So for example if modrony, shoal, tamien, anthusiasm, jalapeno_dude, and paradox are all willing to vote michaelblume, that's a strong hint that michael isn't mafia. The mafia are willing to sacrifice members if we have to but we don't want to. we want to win. we can win today if we lynch town and then get the nightkill right. if nobody is really resisting a lynch that's a sign. If modrony, anthusiasm, and paradox all want to vote jalapeno_dude and michael is inactive and shoal, tamien, and jalapeno_dude are all like "LET'S NOT BE HASTY" then that's a sign. and the way we all acted on day 1 about aestrix was a giant flashing neon sign. future town should examine how the five of us acted on day 1 from the time aestrix was RNGed until the traitor reveal and then following that to the lynch! and this applies all the more in lylo.

The town doesn't know this and we can (and should) subtley resist wagons against our members but it does have to be pretty subtle.

Shoal · Post by **Shoal** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:17 pm

and, according to the scum from my last game, LYLO is every bit as exhausting for scum as it is for town. this is going to be a bit nervewracking but let's try not to crack under the pressure. and let's all of us be online at the deadline, seriously.

also nobody lurk. lurking bad.

Shoal · Post by **Shoal** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:19 pm

i think the "everybody wants this lynch = we're lynching town" thing applies even before LYLO to be honest. there was one player in my last game who was acting pretty shady all game and everyone thought they were scum, and someone said "but why are all 6 of us willing to vote them, why isn't their partner trying to save them" and I said "pfft if i was their scumbuddy I'd be driving their wagon" because they'd been acting so so so so scummy. They were town.

jalapeno_dude · Post by **jalapeno_dude** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:27 pm

Shoal wrote:Paradox should protect modrony. modrony should target modrony's null reads. we should kill paradox. then we can kill modrony.

if paradox instead protects at random then we should kill modrony. small chance it doesn't go through but big payout if it does. then we can kill paradox.

I don't understand this. In a situation where all the mafia are known why would Paradox protect modrony? Why would we want to kill modrony in particular?

Tamien · Post by **Tamien** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:28 pm

I'll make an effort to be on on Friday. Argh I am so frustrated that we're in LYLO now when I thought we had already beat town, *shakes fist at kappa* ... *shakes fist at past self for not proposing some other nightkill target*

I have NO idea how to be towny right now, i think people definitely townread shoal but I'm really not sure how to how to play this right now.

AND THEN THERE'S THE FRIGGIN DEMON SOMEWHERE TOO ARGH

jalapeno_dude · Post by **jalapeno_dude** » Tue May 12, 2015 4:36 pm

I gave up on the math temporarily but I strongly suspect that what the demon does tonight has the power to decide the game regardless of the lynch outcome today. The only exception is if one of us is lynched today (which could only be the result of a COINflip, or us really screwing up) and possessed people's win conditions don't change. So either the game will be decided by a COINflip, someone deciding what the demon will do, or a massive unforced error on our part. That is...frustrating. But I guess it's some combination of our fault for messing up last night and Town's for failing to kill the demon, which I guess is fair.

Shoal · Post by **Shoal** » Tue May 12, 2015 5:31 pm

jalapeno_dude wrote:
Shoal wrote:Paradox should protect modrony. modrony should target modrony's null reads. we should kill paradox. then we can kill modrony.

if paradox instead protects at random then we should kill modrony. small chance it doesn't go through but big payout if it does. then we can kill paradox.
I don't understand this. In a situation where all the mafia are known why would Paradox protect modrony? Why would we want to kill modrony in particular?

I'm anticipating that not all mafia were known. If literally all mafia were known then yeah the random thing is best. we should keep town from knowing who all of us are. if they do know who all of us are then we should kill paradox.

jalapeno_dude · Post by **jalapeno_dude** » Tue May 12, 2015 6:06 pm

Shoal wrote:
jalapeno_dude wrote:
Shoal wrote:Paradox should protect modrony. modrony should target modrony's null reads. we should kill paradox. then we can kill modrony.

if paradox instead protects at random then we should kill modrony. small chance it doesn't go through but big payout if it does. then we can kill paradox.
I don't understand this. In a situation where all the mafia are known why would Paradox protect modrony? Why would we want to kill modrony in particular?
I'm anticipating that not all mafia were known. If literally all mafia were known then yeah the random thing is best. we should keep town from knowing who all of us are. if they do know who all of us are then we should kill paradox.

Sure, I agree that we should keep town from knowing who we are. :p But I have no clue how to do that.

Possible idea for something to do:

-Tamien could roleclaim as Ahin, the light (well, the witch, but you know what I mean). He's listed in her rolepost and she never investigated anyone the night they died (right? Kappa night 1, BSS night 2, anthusiasm night 3, Paradox night 4, modrony night 5) so she could totally pull it off, and then if Paradox tries to contradict her modrony will totally believe Tamien because of this.

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