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I actually have never seen any of the Nolanverse Batman movies (except maaybe Batman Begins? I forget) and am rather unfamiliar with the Bat-verse as a whole except where people who are particular fans of particular characters have gushed to me about them. So I know a bit about Oracle and Nightwing because I know people who are into them, and I know about Harley and Poison Ivy and a bit about the Joker because of my own personal inclinations, but I actually know very little about Bat-things in general. I didn't even recognize Alice as a Joker until it was pretty much explicitly stated in canon!

And yeah, it definitely seems like I interpreted the canon set more broadly than you did! In regards to Spark, lightning and fire are not particularly Spacey but "the catalyst, the beginning, speed, motion" all are in my mind. I have my own Google spreadsheet where I've tried to list associated words in an attempt to define their domains - I'm currently working on a personality test sort of thingie which these words will be a part of. However, it's 12x30 cells and also seems a bit off-topic for an Alicorn-forum. I could post and/or share it if you were interested in my interpretations, though!

I am always interested in interpretations of things like classpects! Welchin elemental affiliations/birth blessings are another one. I just really like formalized or semiformalized structures of related ideas into which it is possible to fit people. :D

Oh man, I am totally with you on the formalized/semiformalized structures of related ideas into which it is possible to fit people. Anyway here is the link where you can view my Aspect spreadsheet!

Ooooh, shiny. Yeah, you're definitely interpreting those way broader than I am.

Well, that definitely explains why you felt you had room to add a bunch more in without overlap, and why I thought you made a bunch of semi-redundant ones, then!

So, I am currently midway through the Harry Potter section of Effulgence. Have I encountered any worlds which will have destined classpects yet? Perhaps that is a good place to start with the question-asking.

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Yes, in fact you have! Fantasia is going to involve destined classpects. Currently slated:

• Feral: Bard of Doom
• Bella: Mage of Mind
• Tony: Maid of Spark
• Sherlock: Seer of Space

I may be rethinking Tony's class and/or Sherry's aspect by the time we get around to actually implementing the relevant plot, but Feral is set in stone (oh, let me tell you about Feral *evil cackling*) and as far as I know Alicorn has no plans to change Bella's.

Please tell me about Feral! I would have expected a Bard, but Doom I would not have expected! In my aspect-system, Doom is about rule systems and laws and debts and sacrifices and that sort of thing (if Time is Wyrd, then Doom is Skuld). So a Bard of Doom would invite or allow the rules to be destroyed? And destroy things by breaking the rules. Which I suppose is a pretty Jokerly thing! But as I mentioned before, I expected Jokers to mainly be Heart players because they're so about being their true selves and feeling their feelings and stuff. So I'm curious about why Feral went all Doomy!

Also Tony as a Maid of Spark and Sherlock as a Seer of Space and Bella as a Mage of Mind all make Perfect Sense, even using just using my own understandings of the classpects and only relying on your list for Spark. (But I would still be curious to hear explanations of how those were decided upon!) I believe I mentioned expecting Bells to mainly be Mind players and Mage was one of the strongest contenders for potential Bell classes, considering it's all about going out and Knowing things for oneself. Sherlock as a Seer of Space is very literal but also very sensical. Sherlock does in fact See Space (I had guessed Light earlier because in my mind Light is very much about Information and Meaning and Sherlock extrapolates meaning from what he Sees extremely well. But at its most literal level, Sherlock Sees Space and then Knows things about it). And Tony as a Maid of Spark is obviously something I wouldn't have guessed without knowing your system but I can totally see it (though I guess I'm a bit surprised she's not an Engineer, since that's apparently an option!). Does the canonical gender-affiliation of the Maid class have anything to do with why this Tony is female? I pretty much tossed the whole gender thing out the window in my classpect system; I didn't like it.

[Edit: I just read a certain prophecy that included several rather Aspecty words and now I am surprised that it was worded this way and yet none of the main cast are affiliated with the appropriate aspects!]

I have likewise mostly tossed the gender thing, except as far as considering characters' probable reactions to being classed with obviously gendered nouns that may agree or disagree with their individual genders. (But I still made a bunch of boy Tonies Maids, before I thought of Smith.) I definitely don't ever change a character's gender based on the gender of their class.

Tonies getting Spark is Just Obvious, and Maid was the best available class for Tonies before Smith - but for some things I still like "create" better than "engineer", and this Tony is like that. I'm not a hundred percent on it, though.

Sherlocks are generally obvious Seers, and Space is a good generic default thing for them to See, because they sort of just See... things, you know? In some sense I think I wanted these destined classpects to kind of represent the most basic fundamental concepts of their templates. But I'm not completely sold on Space for him and might still change it before we finalize the relevant plot details. Also, I totally made him a prophet because he is a destined Seer. :D

(Re: your edit: Hah! I guess it kind of does contain aspecty words. But nope, it is about a different thing. Mosly. ~It's complicated.~)

In my scheme, the aspect that covers rules and regularities most closely is Fate. I associate Doom primarily with death, and secondarily with ill omens or prophecies of bad outcomes. So the Bard of Doom is one who is fated to destroy Death, and whose destiny revolves in smaller ways around destroying death. You may have noticed - how far along are you? - that Feral's life is heavily laden with death-related symbology, e.g. Thestrals. This is not a coincidence. :D

Now, I know this is Spoilerland, but here are some GREAT BIG SPOILERS for the future of the Fantasia 'verse:




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Fairly soon, Sherlock is going to make a prophecy to Feral. No one involved is going to understand what it means at the time, and it's going to just kind of sit there in the back of everyone's minds for a few years. Then, when Feral is about sixteen, the four of them are going to have an encounter with the Lands Below as seen in the Alexandra Quick fanfic series. They'll get into a situation where at least one human life must be sacrificed to prevent even worse consequences, and Feral is going to be the one who steps up. He will die. The rest of them will mourn him and move on. Then, when the peal shows up, Bella and Tony and Sherry will travel to the local afterlife to retrieve their dead friend... and their own destinies will consequently also be triggered, and the four of them will take on their destined roles. :D
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Yeah, I thought it would be pretty weird for Tony to be female because of the Maid thing. But this is also the first time Tony has been female when Sherlock has been male, and then Tony was also a Maid. And yes, Tony as Spark is Just Obvious... which gives me an idea to post in the Fandoms thread! But I'm actually kindof curious about the delineation between "Create" and "Engineer" here. They have different feels but I'm not entirely sure what the different effects would be. "Create" feels more like kindof, making it available for use, while "Engineer" feels more like using it? Or maybe, making it useful.

It makes sense for the classpects to represent the most basic fundamental concepts of templates. I mean, that's kindof what the Aspects are, at the very least - the pre and post-Scratch trolls are essentially alts of each other, and they share Aspects but not Classes. Hence why I was surprised to hear that the Fantasia Joker is a Doom player and not a Heart player, because as I've mentioned, the Joker template seems to be basically the essence of Heart as I think of it. They're a bit Breathy and a bit Lifey (which is essentially destructive of Doom, so that still works) but Jokers in general struck me as being, well, themselves. And Heart as an Aspect is all about being yourself, at least in my mind.

I just finished section 48, so I think I've seen all of Fantasia that there is for now. I have noticed the Death-related symbology surrounding Feral! If Feral is fated to destroy Death, then why did you give him Bard and not Prince? I mean, obviously Jokers are all very wildcardy so Bards make sense, but if Feral is going to actively directly destroy Death himself, then that seems more Princely than Bardly. A Bard I would expect to, like, enable or encourage his allies to destroy Death, or make the destruction of Death possible where it otherwise wouldn't be, or well, otherwise go about the whole Death-destruction thing in a more passive manner.

It makes total sense that Sherlock is a Prophet because he is a Seer. Because Seers See! It is what they do. And Sherlocks See. It is what they do. What precisely they See is up to some debate, I suppose. If you frame it as "Sherlocks See What Others Don't" then they're Seers of Void. If you frame it as "Sherlocks See What Is Important" then they're Seers of Light. If it's "Sherlocks See What There Is To See" then Sherlocks are Seers of Space. Maybe different Sherlocks See different things?

Some templates have very consistent classpect tendencies (Chelseas, for example, invariably go down in the sheet as the this or that of Charm), but Jokers and Bells both have a lot of variety. Phoenix is a Mage of Mind in part because she's the prototype for classpected Bells, but of the 31 Bells in the spreadsheet from worlds that have been shown in the index post, there are only 8 Minds and only 2 Mages (both of Mind). (Kiri is the other Mage of Mind besides Phoenix.) Of those 31 Bells' classpects, things that show up more than once apart from Mage and Mind include Card (2), Queen (2), Space (2), and Spark (2). Everything else is unique, or shares a component exclusively with something on the second tab of the spreadsheet with Bells who haven't come to play in public yet.

Sheet 2 Bells include two Aces, two Cards, two Wills, three Lifes, and one more Mind (not a Mage).