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Bluelantern wrote:

PlainDealingVillain wrote:The important questions that occupy the world's minds.

The answer is probably no, though. There aren't centaur, giant, or goblin wizards, so probably not panserbjorne either.

I think goblins can use wands but are forbidden by the Wizard Government, no idea about other magical species, I would guess that giants and Centaurs can't and I am inclined that Panserbjornes wouldn't. Actually, I think the books might not even mention Panserbjornes at all or only in passing (they are super-rare, right?).

Also notable, what kinds of magical creatures have Daemons? I am guessing that Centaurs, House Elves, Goblins, Merfolks and Veelas, the non-humans probably have "special rules" for Daemons similar to Cloudpine witches (Merfolk with fishes, Veelas with flying creatures, etc.). Some creatues that should be classified as inteligent might not have Daemons purely because they aren't supposed to be worthy of simpathy.

EDIT: It would make some sense if Cloudpine Witches can't use wands (or simply don't need them)

there was a major plotpoint around the panserbjorne...

edit: oh maybe you meant the harry potter books instead of the his dark materials books? but still i dont think they were rare

The HP books are kind of uncosmopolitan about anything outside of England.

Shoal wrote:

Bluelantern wrote:

PlainDealingVillain wrote:The important questions that occupy the world's minds.

The answer is probably no, though. There aren't centaur, giant, or goblin wizards, so probably not panserbjorne either.

I think goblins can use wands but are forbidden by the Wizard Government, no idea about other magical species, I would guess that giants and Centaurs can't and I am inclined that Panserbjornes wouldn't. Actually, I think the books might not even mention Panserbjornes at all or only in passing (they are super-rare, right?).

Also notable, what kinds of magical creatures have Daemons? I am guessing that Centaurs, House Elves, Goblins, Merfolks and Veelas, the non-humans probably have "special rules" for Daemons similar to Cloudpine witches (Merfolk with fishes, Veelas with flying creatures, etc.). Some creatues that should be classified as inteligent might not have Daemons purely because they aren't supposed to be worthy of simpathy.

EDIT: It would make some sense if Cloudpine Witches can't use wands (or simply don't need them)

there was a major plotpoint around the panserbjorne...

edit: oh maybe you meant the harry potter books instead of the his dark materials books? but still i dont think they were rare

I meant the Harry Potter books, they barely mention anything from other countries besides UK.

Panserbjorne are magical and wondrous in our world, but in Alethia-like verse they wouldn't be as much (still above regular bears) so it seems likely they wouldn't be really plot relevant, plus the metacasual thing that makes Earths being absurdly alike probably has some effect on fiction.

Ah, also, stories tend to move around interesting and unique things/situations so something that is stated to be rare is actually more likely to show up than (as a example) a real life ethinic group.

yeah, that makes a lot of sense. harry potter didn't mention any giraffes either, for example

I'd expect that Veelas wouldn't have daemons, though Leprechauns would. Veelas go from slightly creepy at first blush to downright scary when they're angered, and the source mythology is somewhere between nature spirit and demon, and that sounds like daemonless to me. If they did have daemons, they'd probably also be more like cloudpine witches than in our version of HP.

Giants are depicted as being generally dumb and vicious, so they *might* not, but on the other hand Hagrid definitely would, and unlike the Veela there isn't the supernaturally-beautiful aspect to explain why you'd marry someone without a daemon and not get creeped out.

I'd guess centaurs would have some daemon-replacement like the panserbjorne. Possibly they each have a specific constellation they have a personal relationship with, or something? I'd generally expect that to get a lot of use in Alethian fiction, since it's strange and foreign but would still "count as real people", so to speak.

I'd probably not give House Elves any daemon fill-in at all, as a way of making them even more a subject race. Possibly freed House Elves acquire a daemon spontaneously? That would be a little outlandish.

Goblins definitely would have daemons normally (tending toward the small and burrowing), and merfolk would have them as well, though they'd always have aquatic things. Werewolves would always have wolf daemons, changing immediately the first time they changed into a werewolf whether or not they'd settled; some minor character would have a wolf daemon and be discriminated against because people would tend to assume.

Metamorphagi's daemons would have a native form but never entirely settle. Their daemons probably couldn't look like people, unlike Petaal.

Parseltongues invariably have snake daemons; Harry is possibly a weird exception, or he might settle on a snake sometime during the second book.

The Dementor's Kiss would kill the daemon. It might not even need the human victim to be present. God, Dementors would be absolutely *terrifying* to Alethians, even more than they were to us.

....Horcruxes though.

How would that even work?

I would say something involving mutilating your daemon - after the horcrux is made they're permanently disfigured. Or something.

Yeah, I bet Dementors catch your daemon and eat it.

I think I disagree about werewolves, Parselmouths, and Metamorphmagi; I don't think being any of those things should alter the nature of your soul. Metamorphmagi daemons probably can change their shape in just the same way their humans can, not in a way similar to unsettled daemons; I don't think Parselmouths or werewolves have unusual daemon constraints.

Werewolves lose their minds when they transform; perhaps the daemon should disappear during the transformation, but remain if using the Wolfsbane Potion.

There should totally be potions that have to be drunk by daemons to work, or that require bits of daemons as components.

Polyjuice might fall into both of those categories.

Maybe if you want to Polyjuice into someone you have to make and use two doses per event - one for and from the human, one for and from the daemon. Woe betide someone who mixes up the two samples, or uses bits of a mundane animal for either. XD