Short Stories Mafia Game Thread

[BlueSkySprite]

I have an internship I need to go to in an hour, and I don't get back until about 11.5 hours after now.
I'm going to try and form a suspicion and vote. There's a chance I'll be able to get phone access at lunch (in 6 hours) and change what I'm doing, but not a very good chance.

[BlueSkySprite]

Um. I need to go in two minutes and I'm not done sorting through everything everyone's said and done.
Maybe murder isn't the solution to all our problems but it's worth at least trying.
I'm going to just go for the vague impression I've got right now. Sorry it's not better but I am feeling more vaguesuspicions towarad Shoal and JD than anyone else probably just because I've read their stuf fmost recently and alsmo maybe leftover mafia from lastgame, but it is better than not voting at all tonight I will go through everything everyon'es done and said and form better suspicions. sorry I should be doing better.

vote Shoal

[Shoal]

good luck at the internship thing! i agree that voting is better than not.

[modrony]

Yeah, jalapeno is looking scummy.

Any logic that says starting wagons or voting is suspicious just leads to a paralysed town.
We don't want that to happen.
And if a townie does get killed by mistake that doesn't automatically make anyone suspicious. We should be looking at the reasons the votes were made instead.
Jalapeno arguing the opposite really comes off as fake. He is much smarter than that, I under-estimated his intelligence last game, I will not do it again.
(I do confess to some doubt, because I would expect jalapeno to play scum a lot better. It looks like he just copied his approach from last game)

And yeah, we did miss the vote pattern last game.
That is not a reason to think such patterns are useless. Shoal is not the only-one that has been practising :P

Voting for no lynch is not an automatic scumtell here. It's been a pretty popular stance in the past.
We should look at the reasons and who it is that is voting for it instead.
In this case it does look like jalapeno advocates no lynch because he is the leading candidate and the day is nearing the end.

I find the refusal to vote for an actual candidate scummy too.
Last game jalapeno read Aestrix from a response to a joke. I find it really hard to believe he wouldn't have a candidate in mind if he was town.
I find de-lurking votes safe and useless. People won't become less busy if we vote for them. The same effect can be achieved better by asking lurkers questions or just encouraging them to participate as they should.

The differences in the mod-messages are likely to be because they come from different mods. It has been my experience that Nemo is the more infosec focused one.
But ultimately, someone potentially having a wincon that cannot be solved by well-aimed murder is not something I much care about. I go for fulfilment of my own wincon.

vote jalapeno

[Eva]

I can agree that there is such a thing as 'too town', Shoal, but I disagree with you that it's necessarily a bad thing. Attracting-the-nightkill is essentially the job of all vanilla townies- they exist to sacrifice themselves so that the cops, doctors etc etc may live for longer. As such, your statement is more-or-less tantamount to claiming 'I am either scum or a power role' in my eyes, which makes me go 'ehhhhhhh' at you. It could just be poor play, etc etc, but I don't like it, especially when you said outright 'being town means I don't have to care what I say' not five seconds before. In my experience, mafia are quick to say 'I am town' - they want to assert it because they aren't. Town tend not to be so quick to claim townness. Also, if you have problems with being 'too town' then obviously you need to watch what you say as town!

That said, I'm going to vote for Shoal due to incoherence and/or incompetence. Even if he turns out not to be mafia, I don't want him in this game confusing me.

I am, however, going to FoS (finger of suspicion, I have my eye on you) Plaindealingvillain. "My instincts for this game aren't good enough to generate independent suspicions" feels like setup for later bandwagoning to me, which is of course scummy, and scummier than just bandwagoning in the first place is justifying your bandwagoning beforehand.

Finally, Yadal has a decent idea regarding updating-in-advance: "You should form opinions about what you will think if [your lynch target] turns out to be town in advance." (That said, post more, you get no points for general strategy discussion)

If Shoal turns out to be town, then I would probably lynch jalapeno_dude next. Of the two of them, I like Shoal better for scum, but I am fairly sure that this is not a town v town fight. If Shoal turns out to be scum, my next vote would likely be for PDV, due to the unlikeliness of two mafia getting into a public slapfight on day 1.

[Eva]

Just a quick post for the mods to see my Vote for Shoal more easily.

[Yadal]

Eva- I would post more, but I'm a newbie and I don't want to end up doing something stupid and screwing things up. Until I'm sure of what I say, I don't want to say it.

I'm not sure if putting our suspicion estimates publically is a good idea though. It would basically be the same thing as suspicion lists from previous games. I recommend we do them, but privately.

[HybridZizi]

I'm not seeing how a first day lynch is a good thing. If everyone is guessing the numbers right, we have something like a 3/4 chance of getting an innocent townie, which seems to our disadvantage. Also, the scum can probably coordinate in ways town can't, so that's gonna further skew the odds that the person who seems the most suspicious will almost definitely be useful.

That said, enough people are saying we need a first day lynch that not all of them can be scum and I haven't played on here before, so I guess I'm gonna assume I'm missing something. That said,

vote modrony

because their pushing for a first-day lynch whether or not the lynchee is innocent means they shouldn't be upset about being that innocent lynchee and because I'm not seeing anything suspicious from either person they've jumped on which makes me wary (seriously, why is everyone voting for jalepeno_dude? What am I missing?)

EDITED for spelling error.

[HybridZizi]

Also, I did a vote count. I hope it's accurate, but maybe someone should double-check (at least make sure your vote is right on here). I just searched "vote " on each page and wrote down everyone's most recent.

epsilonbeta votes BlueSkySprite
pistachi0n votes epsilonbeta
Shoal votes Tamien
modrony votes DanielH
DanielH votes jalapeno_dude
wolffreak567 votes DanielH
jalapeno_dude votes No Lynch
MTC votes jalapeno_dude
BlueSkySprite votes Shoal
modrony votes jalapeno_dude
Eva votes Shoal
HybridZizi votes modrony

That's 12 votes cast.
BlueSkySprite: 1
epsilonbeta: 1
Tamien: 1
DanielH: 2
jalapeno_dude: 3
Shoal: 2
modrony: 1
No Lynch: 1

I assume this game goes by "most votes for" and not "majority." Is that correct?

[Shoal]

it’s most votes for, yes. plurality voting, if there is a tie it is decided by coin toss.

I’m voting jalapeno, though, not Tamien.

Eva and Jalapeno are probably not scum together, though Eva sounds experienced enough that she should be able to read between the lines as to what I’m doing but whatever, explaining it would be antitown but I’ll say there’s a third option that she’s not seeing. Eva’s probably town, though.

The “too town” was in response to jalapeno’s idea that townies should care about appearances, I gave a counterexample from my offsite experience where being perceived as too town bit me.

the problem with readslists last time was that people weren’t talking about them, they were just posting them behind spoilers and not interacting.

town: modrony, pistachi0n, yadal, eva
maaaaaaybe town: bss and tamien and daniel
null: people i’m not mentioning
maaaaaaybe scum: hybridzizi, pdv
scum: jalapeno_dude